2024 National

[Snapolit1]

Is any one excited about Cleveland?

If so, please give me a good reason or two to attend. I’m struggling to care.

It just isn’t moving the needle.

[Fred]

Is it because it's Cleveland? Or is there another reason?

I don't mind Cleveland. I've attended (3) Nationals at Cleveland and thought they were fine.

[prewarsports]

The traffic and parking situation in Cleveland is the best for any venue, and I always find great stuff there.

[oldjudge]

Two words—Ferris Wheel

[prestigecollectibles]

Two words - It moved
https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...in-canton.html

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Two words—Ferris Wheel

[jefferyepayne]

Reason #1: It's the National and only happens once per year. Missing it means going two years without the two reasons below. I haven't missed one since 2011 and don't plan to miss one ever again until the day I'm old and gray and can't physically do it any longer.

Reason #2: It's a chance to spend multiple days catching up with hobby friends and talk about the hobby we love.

Reason #3: There is always a boatload of hobby eye candy to ogle over.

I'm past expecting to find all sorts of unique items that I haven't seen before. It's not that this doesn't still happen but with all of the online auctions that are held these days, dealers don't seem to set aside items particularly to bring to the Natty as much as they used to. That's fine with me as I go for the reasons above and if I find some things I need/want that is a bonus.

And I couldn't care less about the location. I'd go to the Natty if it was held in LaRue, OH in a barn.

jeff

[The Detroit Collector]

I am excited. Its only like a three-hour drive from me. The venue seems to be larger from what I heard. The Detroit Tigers are playing around then also, so I will try and attend a game.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Is any one excited about Cleveland?

If so, please give me a good reason or two to attend. I’m struggling to care.

It just isn’t moving the needle.

Fully agree, regardless of where it is being held.

[Snapolit1]

Seeing a ballgame at a stadium I have never been to before. That’s a definite start!

[notfast]

The Cleveland set up sucks. No hotels, restaurants within walking distance. Need a car to drive place which means it makes more sense to drive 6 hrs rather than fly in but that’s a pain.

All that said, can’t wait. If you can’t get excited about the national, I don’t know what to tell you.

[Snapolit1]

Can someone who has attended one of these give a little more detail on the geography. Is it in the city, on the fringe of the city, near the airport? Prior poster said nothing really to walk to to eat, etc. No other options besides driving to the convention center and parking? If I stay downtown at a large hotel, am I 10 minutes away or 30? Thanks for any further logistical info.

[Jewish-collector]

It depends on your perspective with the hobby. The novelty of attending a national is over for many collectors. You can find the cards you want in the many auction houses online. The best part of the National is actually meeting up with hobby friends after the show ends. And, the Net54 dinner. I'm still undecided.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Steve--

Lots of info to answer your latest questions (and probably many more you may think to ask later) if you search the site. And Google Maps can obviously answer any geographical/driving questions. Not trying to be a jerk with this reply!

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Steve--

Lots of info to answer your latest questions (and probably many more you may think to ask later) if you search the site. And Google Maps can obviously answer any geographical/driving questions. Not trying to be a jerk with this reply!

I hear you, but the same reply would probably apply to 90% of the post on the board.

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Is any one excited about Cleveland?

If so, please give me a good reason or two to attend. I’m struggling to care.

It just isn’t moving the needle.

1. If you’re a sports card collector…. How do you not enjoy going to a larger card show???

2. Same as # 1

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I hear you, but the same reply would probably apply to 90% of the post on the board.

True.

Well, I'll reguritate my experience with Cleveland, then.

Historically, I had always fared well in Cleveland. Mind you, I'm exclusively in the autograph realm.

Having become more and more disillusioned with wasting time and money at several prior Nationals with nothing great to show for it, I said to myself, "If nothing happens in Cleveland [2018], then I'm done with this nonsense.". Nothing happened. Haven't attended a National ever since and am happy to say so. Each subsequent year, I've been reassured by those in attendance that this decision has continuously been the right one. Again, my preferred corner of our universe is more finite and differs from many here. A couple of people I know made similar personal vows that year in Cleveland. Nobody has had a single regret.

As to the venue, it's way on the outskirts of town. There's nothing much to do out that way from my experience, but it beats being in Cleveland Proper. I can say that it's defintiely the most affordable area of any current National location, and the parking at the venue is plentiful and inexpensive.

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I hear you, but the same reply would probably apply to 90% of the post on the board.

I attended the National in Cleveland once. I plan to attend again this year. As other posters have stated, it is the National. I stayed with my in-laws in Lorain, Ohio about an hour away from Cleveland. I drove in each day. I had one of the passes that included free parking and 20 "free" autographs and other swag. The IX center is a massive building with plenty of parking. The complex is right at the airport. From what I can recall there was not much infrastructure nearby. As in, when you exit the building there will not be anything (restaurants, hotels etc.) within walking distance. I don't consider Cleveland a foodie destination. With the pass, re-entry is not an issue, so one could have a cooler in the car for snacks and such. Since I am an autograph guy, I had planned to be at the venue most of the each day. I had packed a few snacks in my bag which worked for me. Once off the complex, within a few minutes, there is plenty of commerce to find in and around Cleveland. I did take in a game at the new (then) stadium which was cool. There is also the rock and roll hall of fame. I don't hail from Ohio, so I found that downtown Cleveland was much better than what the media had made it out to be. If you are flying in, I would consider renting a car or make sure the hotel has a frequent shuttle to the center. Don't find a reason not to go, just go! The National is awesome! I wish the National would return to Baltimore.

[sb1]

Steve,

Next door to the airport, quite a ways from the city. Basically no where very close to stay since the Sheraton at the airport was torn down. You will need a car or Uber etc.

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Is any one excited about Cleveland?

I'm excited for a 'fully functional' air conditioning system this year.

[skil55voy]

I took my wife with me to the National in Cleveland in 2018. We stayed at a Holiday Inn Express which had a shuttle for pick-up and delivery to the center. There were some chain restaurants by the hotel. (Not a foodie town) We spent a day at the show. It was excellent, easy to get around in and lots of well known dealers. We stayed over after the show and went to the Football Hall of Fame in Canton. We then went to the William McKinley home and toured the grounds. Great trip. The Hall of Fame was fantastic.

[mrreality68]

I am looking forward to it but the infrastructure is not their. I booked and AirB7B about 1.2 miles away.
Debating driving from NY or just uber around.
My reason for going is to see the Net54 people as first priority and enjoy the NAtional 2nd.

[Leon]

If I go, and it's 50/50 right now....it will be to renew old acquaintenances. I almost always find something to pick up though...this was from last years National. I guess it could go in the raw pick up thread too....

[ALBB]

downtown, Chef Michael Simon BBQ joint called Mables - On of the best Ive ever been to

[darkhorse9]

I used to go to every Chicago national when I lived in Michigan. 3 hours away for me.
Now I live in Tennessee so Cleveland is 7.5 hours away but I may still do it this year.
Never did the Net 54:meet up. Might do that this time. When or where is it?

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by darkhorse9

I used to go to every Chicago national when I lived in Michigan. 3 hours away for me.
Now I live in Tennessee so Cleveland is 7.5 hours away but I may still do it this year.
Never did the Net 54:meet up. Might do that this time. When or where is it?

Suspect it's too early for planning any event.

[Seven]

I loved the National when I attended it in Atlantic City, as it wasn't too far of a drive and I was able to extend it to going fully down the Jersey Shore, afterwards. I don't have much of a desire to drive or fly to Cleveland and attend this year, as It's a little too out of the way.

I'd fully welcome a National in Chicago, Texas, or somewhere in Florida. Maybe one of the Carolina's. Or if it was even based out on the west coast. But that's a discussion for another thread.

[kcohen]

I’ve attended in Cleveland a couple of times though not recently. I had no complaints with the venue. As Alan wrote, one can find most anything online that’s at the National. For me primarily it’s a social occasion, a chance to catch up with hobby friends, most of whom I haven’t seen in a long time. And would like to take in a game at the Jake, which I’ve never done. And

Cleveland Rocks!

[toppcat]

Not going to The Cleve. Rosemont 2025!

[Scott6043]

bar with beer that fills up from the bottom, if still there

[1954 topps]

Cleveland hotels, parking, and food is much cheaper than Chicago. The convention center is quite a bit larger as well so tables are well spread out. A/C actually works there.

If that’s not reason enough then by all means stay home!

I don’t attend Nationals every year, travel is expensive and that’s money I could have spent in auctions. I’m pretty sure I’ll be there this year.

[asoriano]

A couple pics I took from the ferris wheel back in 2018, showing one side of the show floor:

[calvindog]

The Cleveland venue is far superior to Chicago’s, although not connected to a hotel. All in all, traveling from NY, it’s slightly more difficult but the better venue makes up for it in my opinion. I was pretty disappointed with Chicago last year. No food onsite? WTH.

[Exhibitman]

Cleveland has a vibrant foodie scene, just nowhere near the IX Center.

Answering Steve's question directly, the center is airport adjacent, and last I checked, basically empty field and highway adjacent. So either pack in your vittles or eat whatever crap is served there. Last time the onsite food was really bad. You basically will have to rent a car, so budget that in. The VIP tickets to the show come with free parking at the show, so that's a plus.

Candidly, I am on the fence as well. I wasn't able to make CHI last year because of a work schedule issue, and I missed 2022 for a variety of family reasons (buried my father in May and my mother in August, so not a great time to go to AC anyway...plus I disliked AC the last time). If I go, I am tempted to stay downtown near the RR HOF and ballpark and food scene, and just commute back and forth every day. Might make for a nicer stay even with a drive on each end. I spend hours in my car anyway, being from LA.

[brass_rat]

Cleveland airport to IX Center is an 8 minute car ride. Lyft right now is $12.
IX Center to downtown Cleveland is 17 minutes by car. Lyft is $19.
You can schedule Lyfts and Uber in advance, so you aren't waiting.

The Guardians are in-town Monday through Thursday this year. Many people would say Guardians games are more affordable than Wrigley and in a much better location than Guaranteed Rate Field.

Hotels are cheaper than Chicago (if cost is the main variable of concern), even factoring in the Lyfts.

There are a ton of restaurants, bars, and even breweries within walking distance of the ballpark.

The IX Center has 20% more exhibition space than the Donald Stephens in Chicago.

[UKCardGuy]

I'm curious, how would the National in Cleveland compare to a show like the Chicago Sports Spectacular at Rosemont? I'm sure the National will be bigger. But how much bigger?

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I'm curious, how would the National in Cleveland compare to a show like the Chicago Sports Spectacular at Rosemont? I'm sure the National will be bigger. But how much bigger?

The card selection will surely be better!

[Snapolit1]

Thanks for all the info and opinions. Much appreciated.
Will depend a lot on work whether I ultimately go or not. Thanks for some great ideas.

[Michael B]

Leave the I-X Center and take Kolthoff Dr., the left just before Berea Hwy, go about a mile where it merges with Berea you will find 5 places to eat plus a Circle K and a DD's.

On Berea:
Donte's Restaurant and Pizza
Speedy Cafe inside Speedway Gas (cheap pizza)
Subway
Circle K
DD's

On Front St - forks to the left after Speedway
Grindstone Tap House
The Hydrant Pub and Grub

[scoutsout47]

It’s a little early for me to feel any bit of excitement, as I’m still exhausted from the holidays and just coming to terms with 2024. However, that didn’t stop me from booking a room and cashing into my SW miles for a free flight to Cleveland. That gives me over six months to light a fire under my rear and get my checklists together.

If last year’s attendance is any indication of what we can expect this year, you may want to get a head start on your travel plans. I’ll be traveling from CA and will see ya’ll out there.

[prestigecollectibles]

According to the new management team in an interview a few months ago they said that

"Chicago prior to this year used 336,000 square feet this year they blew up to 560,000 square feet Cleveland's building is going to be 420,000 square feet"

You can hear it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCjPy1d-No0&t=3772s

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Is any one excited about Cleveland?

If so, please give me a good reason or two to attend. I’m struggling to care.

It just isn’t moving the needle.

Steve, the National is still the biggest show, but I do believe some of the luster of it has worn off. It is isn't the National's fault per see, it is the fact that there is just so much competition now. More shows, more places to sell, and for better or worse, the staggering increase in auctions.

[Snapolit1]

Agree. I am fortunate in the NY/NJ area to have a selection of shows year round. There is a White Plains show in two weeks. 400 tables. Is it the national. Nope, but it's a damm good show 1 hour from where I live.

And so much about the National now is breakers, card graders I have never heard of, and screaming idiots carrying on about Trevor Lawrence refractors. It's bigger for sure, but not with stuff I am really interested in.

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Steve, the National is still the biggest show, but I do believe some of the luster of it has worn off. It is isn't the National's fault per see, it is the fact that there is just so much competition now. More shows, more places to sell, and for better or worse, the staggering increase in auctions.

[Snapolit1]

IMHO, possibly the coolest thing about the National is to see amazing pieces coming up in Heritage and other big AHs.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Agree. I am fortunate in the NY/NJ area to have a selection of shows year round. There is a White Plains show in two weeks. 400 tables. Is it the national. Nope, but it's a damm good show 1 hour from where I live.

And so much about the National now is breakers, card graders I have never heard of, and screaming idiots carrying on about Trevor Lawrence refractors. It's bigger for sure, but not with stuff I am really interested in.

And many of those dealers at White Plains are also set up at the National? Probably a good portion.

Here is a good question... how many dealers at the 2024 National only set up at the National and no other show? I think it is a very very small number now.

[mrreality68]

looking forward to it.
Especially the Convention center heard alot of great things about it.
THe logistics not so much.
Actually debating the drive from NY vs Flying.

[Yoda]

Are there any hotels left adjacent to the Center now that the Sheridan has been torn down? At my last National in Cleveland, I had the privilege of sitting next to Mr. and Mrs. Frank Robinson at breakfast. Of course, I couldn't help but listen in to their conversation. I think Frank's most memorable line was, "Honey, please pass the butter".

[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Are there any hotels left adjacent to the Center now that the Sheridan has been torn down? At my last National in Cleveland, I had the privilege of sitting next to Mr. and Mrs. Frank Robinson at breakfast. Of course, I couldn't help but listen in to their conversation. I think Frank's most memorable line was, "Honey, please pass the butter".

I'm surprised the NSCC site hasn't listed hotel options yet.

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

And many of those dealers at White Plains are also set up at the National? Probably a good portion.

Here is a good question... how many dealers at the 2024 National only set up at the National and no other show? I think it is a very very small number now.

Drew. I am close to that. I do 4 other shows beside the National. 2 in Boston and 2 at White Plains. Don

[prestigecollectibles]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

I'm surprised the NSCC site hasn't listed hotel options yet.

They don't do a good job of updating the website. There's still info from last year's show.
I made a reservation last August on my own. Sonesta ES Suites Cleveland Airport Average daily rate: USD 83.58

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

And many of those dealers at White Plains are also set up at the National? Probably a good portion.

Here is a good question... how many dealers at the 2024 National only set up at the National and no other show? I think it is a very very small number now.

I only do the National and no other shows. I will only do shows west of (and including) Cleveland so never do the East Coast Nationals (Baltimore, Atlantic City, etc)