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Posted By: Robert_Lifson
There have been posts recently on this message board by David Rudd suggesting that photographs in the recent REA auction are not authentic. As a courtesy, a fellow collector has brought this to my attention, and eventually directed me to this site. By the way, this message board is great. Anyway, it is understandable that I would be very concerned about reports of not authentic items in our auction, especially when those reports are from someone as respected and knowledgeable as David Rudd, who has even written a book on the subject of photographs. I have a lot of respect for Mr. Rudd’s knowledge, and have even occasionally used his book as a valuable reference tool. I would have asked for more information from anyone about a report of a non-authentic item in our auction, all the more so if that report came from someone who I understand to be extremely knowledgeable. I make this post at the risk of alienating Mr. Rudd, which I very much do not want to do, and I am uncomfortable making this post because of that. But I am even more uncomfortable not making this post. As things stand, I may have a potential forgery in the auction, which I would like to address before it is paid for and sent out, and cannot (because I don’t know what the item is), I have posts on a public forum stating that Robert Edward Auctions has offered and sold a forgery in the recent auction, I have two auction winners who would like assurances that the photos they have purchased in the auction are not the fake photo that has referred to on this board; and lastly, it has been suggested to me that at least one person believes that Robert Edward Auctions has somehow influenced Mr. Rudd to not speak out about the problem lot in question so that we will not lose our commissions on this item (when nothing could be further from the truth). This just isn’t right. I am posting my communications with Mr. Rudd regarding this issue. The emails I believe speak for themselves. I hope that Mr. Rudd will forgive that I have chosen not to ignore this issue. If not, I am sorry. In no way do I mean to show any disrespect to David Rudd. I am just very uncomfortable with the impression that is left by the posts that have been made, the impact these posts are having on our purchasers, the idea that it is possible that we really do have a problem lot and are unable to address it, and that our response to these issues is not in any way reflected anywhere, and that in fact a completely inaccurate impression is being given. If anyone on this board can help us identify what photograph is being referred to, I would very much appreciate it, so that we can address it before the lot gets paid for and sent out. Thank you. |
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Posted By: Scott Bob
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Posted By: Bill Cornell
FYI - David removed his comments by his own choice, after which I deleted the thread because the replies didn't have any meaning on their own. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
the fact that Rob came on the board and addressed this situation. Regardless of what David did or did not say and what may or may not be the situation of the photo. I fully understand that Rob, Bill Mastro, Josh Evans or many of the other principals of these auction houses can't address each and every thread about questionable auction material but I certainly respect his posting questions and concerns on this board. I know Doug Allen from Mastronet has posted very sparsely a couple of times on things vaguely similar. This is about the only vintage baseball forum out there and there are very knowledgeable people on here who have spent many hundreds of thousands if not millions in REA, Mastronet and many more auctions. Nice to see someone address concerns.......JMO....... |
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Posted By: petecld
David can delete all the posts he wants but the truth is he did go public with another little one of his teases and implied REA was offering a questionable item. |
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Posted By: HalleyGator
I think this thread is a great example of everything that is RIGHT about this board!!!! |
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Posted By: hankron
I feel terrible about this whole situation, and wish I had not started it. My question was about a DiMaggio streak photograph with a UPI stamp (UPI being formed at a later date) on the back. I then realized (and should have decided in the first place, which was my main error) that the photo should not be judged from afar, and there can be legitimate reasons for the UPI stamp to be there. I regularly preach that one has to see an item in person to well judge and should have followed my own advice. As REA had viewed it in person, they would have the best judgement on it and I now 100% defer judgement on the photo to REA. This is why I dropped the issue and asked everyone to ignore everything I said. This is also why I asked Mr Lifson to to ignore the issue and made retraction of my opinions. I had honestly wished everyone would forget I said anything and render my original thoughts as moot. |
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Posted By: BOtn
David, |
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Posted By: Rob L
David, |
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Posted By: Scott Forrest
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Posted By: Robert_Lifson
Dear David, |
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Posted By: Elliot
As Hal said, this thread is all that is "right" with this forum. It sure makes putting up with the some of the petty arguments all very worthwhile. |
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Posted By: petecld
David, |
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Posted By: David Seabon
Robert Lifson = one class act |
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Posted By: Jimmy Leiderman
Hope other auction houses start dealing the way Rob has been doing it for many years. A class act and always open to help fellow hobbyists with his vast knowledge. |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
David, |
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Posted By: 823dek
Wow...what an experience of back and forth drama hardly or seldom seen between 2 that both only tried to do right for all. There is an unmatched itegrity level of true professionals in their respected fields...bringing us to light! |
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Posted By: TBob
is how the heads of the bigger auction houses aren't aware of this board! If you take a look at some of the regular posters here, along with the posts by the occasional lurkers, you not only have a who's who of bidders on ebay but some of the major players in the hobby. The combined knowledge of the participants here exceeds anything I have ever seen elsewhere and I believe it directly impacts the hobby and encourages the newbies who wander on the board to become more interested in collecting vintage cards and learning more about the cards they collect. |
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Posted By: HalleyGator
David: Please let us know that you will stay on and continue to contribute to the board. Mr. Lifson himself has now told you that we all need your expertise ... and he has even welcomed your comments in the future (in private to him). |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
the heads of the auction houses ARE aware of this board. To some extent. I know Doug Allen is and I would be extremely suprised if Mastro and some of the other folks there are not. I know Kevin Struss is, Lipset posted here once, Sloate and those guys. I think it's just too difficult and potentially dangerous for them to post here. I know Doug Allen posted once and said something like it would be the last time he posted regarding a lot or something. With as much concern as there was on that massive lot of 'E' cards in the last Mastronet auction that went for 20K you would have thought someone from Mastronet would have responded. Theres much more to lose by posting than to gain I think.......... |
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Posted By: jay behrens
But the right type post, such as the ones Rob Lifson made, go a long way towards proving the integrity and professionalism of a company. How many people that read this board that were indifferent or maybe had a low opinion of REA have now changed their minds becuase of his posts? They don't need post about every concern, but but done right, can win lots of fans here. And influencial ones at that. |
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Posted By: Harry
No one can be an expert on everything. It is nice to see Robert seek the opinions of other experts. |
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Posted By: Halleygator
Dear Mr. Lifson: |
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Posted By: hankron
I would like to thank all, including Mr. Lifson, for the kind words. He and I have communicated and the whole situation is resolved. My judgment error was in not detailing the issue, but I'd never had the President of an auction house or PSA or such inquire (repeatedly!) about a post I made and, I must admit, I've always liked to be coy (i.e. the mystery of my icon). Of course the way Robert acted commments well on REA, when compared to many other institutions. I know that no other auction house or grading president would have pressed the issue as he did. That I clammed up and didn't wish to discuss the issue was largely a natural reaction. I promised Robert that I would contact him directly with any future issue. |
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