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View Poll Results: Do Roger Maris or Albert Belle belong in the HOF? | |||
Maris only | 82 | 28.47% | |
Belle only | 44 | 15.28% | |
Both | 33 | 11.46% | |
Neither | 129 | 44.79% | |
Voters: 288. You may not vote on this poll |
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I am still baffled by your characterization here. Maris won the MVP in 1960. Norm cash finished FOURTH in voting in 1961, behind Jim Gentile. |
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Watered down pitching allowed Maris to have a career year, Cash to have a career year and Gentile to have a career year. Yet Maris is the only one being talked about as being a Hall Of Famer.
If you are going to give credit for Maris having a big year when the pitching was watered down then you also have to give credit to the other guys and if you do that then Maris had a worse year than the other two except for the home run total. David |
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Maris may have hit 61 Hrs, but he was certainly greatly helped by having the true AL MVP protecting him in the lineup. Maris was never intentionally walked in 1961. Most likely never pitched around and saw good pitches when pitchers fell behind in the count. Still overall he didn't have that great of a season. When Ryan Howard hit 58 Hrs in 2006, we had 37 IBB and a total of 108 BB. How many more Hrs does he hit if he is protected in the lineup by Mickey Mantle? Today we have the ability to look deeper than how many Hrs a player hit or that writers voted for a guy who they really shouldn't have for an award. |
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Not that great of a year? He led the entire league in runs, home runs, rbi's and total bases while breaking a record held by Babe Ruth. McGwire didn't win when he hit 70 but Sosa did for hitting 66; not really an apt comparison when both players broke the record and one of them still won MVP. Bonds also won MVP when he broke McGwire's record. Lastly, I think you're wrong about players not getting in for a historic season. Bill Terry was a great hitter, but he waited 15 years for induction and it took him 9 years to even get 50%. Are you suggesting his ultimate induction had nothing to do with him hitting 400? Last edited by packs; 03-14-2019 at 07:20 AM. |
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54.2 career WAR / 41.2 7yr-peak WAR / 47.7 JAWS Average HOF 1B (out of 21): 66.8 career WAR / 42.7 7yr-peak WAR / 54.7 JAWS |
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Which one, though? Lifetime or the year he hit 400?
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Rico Petrocelli 1969 was right up there with Rosen.
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We are not talking about just any old puny record here like most bunt singles in a season, or most steals of 3rd, or some other such record. We are talking about one of the most haloed, prestigious and most famous records in all of American sports history - most HR in a season ! Also, by the way he had not one but 2 MVP winning seasons, and several all-star games to boot. Down play it all you want, everyone it entitled to their opinions.
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Denny McLain, anyone? Back to back Cys and an astonishing 30 win season.
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The Cy Young has been awarded how many times? To how many different pitchers? At least a dozen different players have won it multiple times.... Hitting 61 Home runs or more? Now how many players are in THAT list? His 31 win-season is especially impressive... I'll give you that. But wins by pitchers carry nowhere near the fame of hitting home runs... |
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So, now 7th place only behind the steroid junkies diminishes Maris' old record?
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DiMaggio's 1941 season is good for only 123rd all time in terms of single season WAR. Does that make his 56 game streak null and void? It's still considered one of the greatest seasons anyone has ever had.
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Furthermore, it dramatically shows that this term called "WAR" is just a bunch of newspeak "hor$e-cr@p" as a meaningful metric to judge a BB players value to his team. Right-on, packs....thanks for posting this bit of trivia. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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What's impossible, is someone climbing past Young's 511 wins... that record is sealed for the ages. |
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