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Posted By: Joann
From tbob - great card and I have the T207 Lively: |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Joann, somewhere there are more photos taken from that same team in the same year. They were all sold by JP the Mint on ebay at the same time. If I remember correctly there were two more single player photos in that group. Keep your eyes peeled for them as they may reappear on ebay some day. |
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Posted By: Joann
There are 5 photos from this day/shoot on the LOC website. Two are of the team - one is this same image even with the "FEMALE GIANTS" handwritten at the top, but different photo (different tears and creases etc). The other three are all individual player shots. They are on LOC under the George Grantham Bain collection. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
You found them on the LOC site? That's cool....I would have emailed you, but I had bids in on them as I wanted them, but I got outbid at the last minute on all three. |
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Posted By: Paul
I just posted this in June #3. Didn't see June #4. |
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Posted By: mr. moses
on dem lady giants....... great look in a later format. |
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Posted By: Jerry
Thanks Brian |
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Posted By: Lee
My New Red Hindu: |
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Posted By: Bob
Brian- At the National I am going to try and buy every Obak Miller I can find so I can try and make a trade with you for a 1911 Zeenut Miller! |
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Posted By: Brian
Bob - A 1912 Zeenut Miller would definitely get you a 1911 |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
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Posted By: Brad
Rod, |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Brab, |
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Posted By: Joann
How cool is this??? Just got it from someone that reads the board but does not post that was kind enough to email me about it. Thank you Dave. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Joann, as a rabid Zionist and Jew, the swastikas would not offend me -- they do not suggest Nazi Germany in such a context. And even if they had, your piece is historical; no offense could ever be intended by whoever would post it here. |
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Posted By: Jason Carota
...for my Red Sox set: |
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Posted By: Joann
Jeff - thanks for that - I appreciate the input. I went through that exact line of thinking about context and history. But I decided to err on the side of caution, and that if even one person was offended I shouldn't post it. It does seem strange seeing them on a baseball card. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The swastika was a positive symbol in many religions (ask Jim B) and societies for thousands of years before the Nazis latched on to it. I agree that it is always startling, however, to see it in a picture from a pre-Nazi Germany era. |
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Posted By: Dylan
I cant honestly see how anyone can get offended by a swastika being used in that photo. The swastika has been used as decorative or religous symbol by just about every culture on the planet at some point or another. I think western society as a whole should reevalaute how we demonize symbols and its effect on other cultures. It is still a widely used symbol in both hinduism and buddihsm. But since the swastika was appropriated as a Nazi symbol, it has since then become a controversial motif as a consequence in western society. Swatikas are still used today to mark buddhist temples in asia. If I were to post a photo of a buddhist temple for whatever reason, should i black out the swastika? I think were all smart enough to realize the buddhist swastika and the nazi's ideology of hate and rasicm are completely unrelated, just in the same sense as it is completely unrelated to the ones in your photo. |
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Posted By: Jason L
speak volumes about your character. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
thanks to Brian W. for not bidding |
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Posted By: Marc S.
I very, very seldomly see any Polar Bears that are better than Excellent simply because of the distribution and staining effects. That seven is one of the nicest PB's I've seen. |
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Posted By: Dave F
I think you did really good at that price Michael. Next you have to find a PSA 8 Polar Bear! |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dylan, perhaps if you had some relatives cooked alive in furnaces due to the actions of soldiers wearing the swastika you might feel different. In addition, while swastikas are used to mark Buddhist temples in Asia, they are still employed to mark Jewish temples in America and Europe too. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
I would argue that the Swastika was "mis" appropriated by the Nazis... |
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Posted By: peter ullman
joann great card(s)...and your sensitivity is greatly appreciated and quite admirable. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
thanks guys...i am happy to have this as part of my back collection...and a serious thank you to Brian for laying off of it... |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm |
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Posted By: steve yawitz
Thanks for the shout out, Joann. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Steve, I'm guessing if that bite mark was absent from the Gibson you'd have a 5 or 6 easy. |
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Posted By: dstudeba
Very nice Pete, I wussed out on that one. |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
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Posted By: howard
Joann, as a Jew I would not be at all offended had you not blacked out the swastikas, although I appreciate the effort. In fact, I would not even be offended if someone posted a photo of SS brownshirts playing baseball as it would have historical significance. |
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Posted By: Dave F
OK...I messed up on the T3 earlier this week. Waiting now for somebody to tell me I screwed up here and bit on another reprint? crossing fingers |
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Posted By: leon
It's fine and you got a very good deal. We all make mistakes...don't sweat it. Last week I had to return a fake W512 sheet I bought on ebay....without a great scan....but I should have known. If you do enough buying on ebay something will happen.....Once again, nice pick up..... |
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Posted By: Joann
Dylan - I agree with everything you say about the historical and cultural breadth of swastika use. I considered it when trying to decide about blacking them out - thinking that them being on the card was clearly not the same context. |
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Posted By: Bob
I've always told anyone who cared to listen that JoAnn was one of the nicest and caring people I've ever run across. Your concern over the symbol speaks volumes. Take care and if you make it to Cleveland, holler at me! |
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Posted By: Dave F
Whew...thanks Leon. As long as this one is real! Any thoughts on why the two didn't go for more? Unless I misjudged what I thought the values were on these D381's. My snipe was actually set a good bit higher..so was pleasantly surprised, then scared. |
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Posted By: Mike
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Posted By: DMcD
Joann- Once again you are the dispassioned and calm voice, fair and thoughtful. Be careful!! When they're ready to cart Leon off to the Loony Bin we might make you moderator. |
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Posted By: Joann
AAAACCCCKKKKK! lolol. No. I'm a bitch. Really. haha. Just ask anyone at work, especially the Product Manager. hee. He about has to dive for cover when he sees me. I'm not moderator material - I have nowhere near Leon's patience and wisdom for these things. |
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Posted By: JimB
Joann, |
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Posted By: Bill Todd
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Posted By: leon
I was thinking the same thing. |
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Posted By: Zach Rice
These three T211s will help make the start of a very difficult set. |
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Posted By: S Gross
Zach, |
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