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i can play that game too, i guess you believe millions of kids were saved by closing schools and was a huge net benefit, that the lab leak was debunked, masks were effective as advertised, getting over covid did not provide natural immunity, call it a hunch.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 03-05-2023 at 10:52 PM. |
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And the government certainly claimed the vaccines were completely effective. With natural immunity you would still get covid and could pass it on, while the vaccine was a dead end for the virus. The vaccinated would not get covid and they would not pass it on. Eventually they had to walk back their claims as they became obviously untrue. |
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masks are still being recommended, have we figured things out yet? I will assume you are still ok with masks being worn, not sure why you mention 'while we figure things out' has that happened yet? are masks still a reasonable response, if not when did they stop being reasonable....you forget about all the media attention on that issue as well.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 03-06-2023 at 01:01 PM. |
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.i not saying the standard was masks to be completely effective..didnt people claim they were effective to a degree that they were worth wearing and the science says they werent .do you agree with that? |
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Fauci, the CDC and their media. All corrupt and crooked. I just hope Fauci and whoever else peddled all the lies pays large for what they did.
And people laughed and labeled me a conspiracy theorist and chuckled when I posted non MSM links. If it weren't for FOX news, many wouldn't have a clue how crooked, corrupt and evil the other side is. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6322006888112
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I've seen the needle and damage done... I caught you knockin' at my cellar door I love you, baby, can I have some more? Ooh, ooh, the damage done I hit the city and I lost my band I watched the needle take another man Gone, gone, the damage done I sing the song because I love the man I know that some of you don't understand Milk blood to keep from running out I've seen the needle and the damage done A little part of it in everyone But every junkie's like a settin' sun
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The zenith of irony isnt it?
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Yep, Neil's so woke, he cancelled himself and made Joe Rogan more popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTiBFLi55Ss
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Oh no, That's reached hourly on these boards! Its "Unprecedented" Boy if only I could go back a few years and.never have heard that word
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Certainly not in science. Naw, cant be. For those keeping score Protection from the relatively new COVID-19 bivalent vaccines can begin to wane as soon as two month after administration, according to a Finnish study. It also found that among chronically ill adults between the ages of 18 and 64, the bivalent vaccine did not reduce the risk of severe COVID outcomes. Certainly gives pause for some, ya know, ones that dont make decisions based on politics.
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LOL. Can you post a pic of your admired Doc? I'd like to see the wings on his back and the halo over his head myself.
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Go down to your local hospital, particularly the ICU, and take a survey. Make sure they have medical degrees and aren’t just internet posters. Probably safer to trust their judgment.
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https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/152855 Any idea why they'd do such a thing, Carter?
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Step 1) click on link Step 2) read link Step 3) scroll down Step 4) take note of hospital/ICU numbers Step 5) pay particular attention to the unvaxxed vs vaxxed numbers in ICU Step 6) re-evaluate your position Step 7) learn to live with the decisions you made Step 8) pray going forward all will be well with you and your family Step 9) take a break from this covid thread
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It's all about what "works" means. The data suggests it does lower odds of death and this supports that.
However, the link reports 89% of the province has taken a shot. And cases are going up, with many more vaccinated people in the hospital than unvaccinated. It does not "work" in the sense that it does not do what science, the institution and not the method, said it would do. 3X-4X as many vaccinated patients as unvaccinated sure doesn't seem like what a vaccine does, as the word was defined through early 2020. (https://web.archive.org/web/20191013...ccine#examples vs. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine). Does it work as a preemptive treatment to improve outcomes for those who get it later (possibly for a short time only)? Yes. Does it work as a vaccine? No. It doesn't significantly affect immunity or transmission, in stark contrast to what was said by science, the institution and not the method, when the state and big business was attempting to force it into people. |
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You might want to look again. I had no idea, but I shouldn't be surprised, the vaccines affected ones eyesight and reading comprehension too. "Fully vaccinated" in the hospital=460 cases. Fully "unvaccinated" in the hospital=148 Fully vaccinated in the ICU=60 Fully unvaccinated in the ICU=25 Remember when they said "if you get these shots you won't get covid" Remember when they had you convinced that in order for your vaccine to work, the unvaccinated needed to get vaccinated too? Good times, eh.
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so before they were wrong when mandating masks and vaccines? At what point were they wrong when it was mandated or were they never wrong.. You hear about you forget about when the ERs were full argument, but you dont hear the you forget when people were called crazy/lose their jobs/other detrimental issues due to incorrect science argument) The argument if they were wrong before how is it crazy to think will be wrong again or at least be able to question something in the future without being banned or taken off the internet, lets talk about clemente books being banned, now forcing people to do things under 'science' when it turns out the opposite was true....we are ok to the banning of that but again clemente books thats the huge banning political side.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 03-07-2023 at 12:18 AM. |
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After SARS outbreak in 2003 DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Project Agency) spent the next 12-15 years studying the best way to combat a coronavirus pandemic. Their solution was clear...Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine where the only effective measures. In fact the study included mRNA vaccines and showed they were not useful “The gene-encoded, or “mRNA,” vaccines work poorly because they are synthetic replications of the already-synthetic SARSr-CoV-WIV spike proteins and possess no other epitopes.”
‘Top secret’ docs released by Project Veritas suggest Fauci lied, US officials ‘ignored’ COVID shot data, cures Murphy’s report also sheds light on other hotly-debated aspects of America’s COVID response, including the ineffectiveness of the new mRNA COVID vaccines and the effectiveness of preexisting therapeutics such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Some of these treatment protocols also inhibit the action of the engineered spike protein. For instance, Ivermectin (identified as curative in April 2020) works throughout all phases of illness because it both inhibits viral replication and modulates the immune response. Of note, chloroquine phosphate (Hydroxychloroquine, identified April 2020 as curative) is identified in the proposal as a SARSr-CoV inhibitor, as is interferon (identified May 2020 as curative).” “By contrast, the “gene-encoded, or ‘mRNA,’ vaccines work poorly because they are synthetic replications of the already-synthetic SARSr-CoV-WIV spike proteins and possess no other epitopes,” the report continues. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/le...nded-research/
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Never let a serious crisis go to waste.
2019 Fauci goes on a panel discussion on the difficulties of convincing the public to take a new form of vaccine and creating a vaccine and how they often take decade or more to prove safe. Literally months later we are saying billions around the world need jabbed even those that show little to no danger from the virus. NIH, CDC and big pharma is a revolving door. You are a fool to not understand this was at bare minimum used by them on multiple levels as an enrichment tool as well as a testing platform on both govt control and acceptance new form of vaccinations. They knew telling people about how mRNA vaccines works would not have people lining up at the door to be jabbed for the seasonal flu. They had to have something they could sell as much, much worse. https://www.c-span.org/video/?465845...al-flu-vaccine
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Project Veritas is known for publishing misinformation-laden and context-twisting hidden camera “investigations” into progressive groups, news media, Planned Parenthood, and pharmaceutical companies. It had a faithful audience of conservative donors and followers who were eager for dirt on their enemies. O’Keefe was the face of that brand, so it makes some sense that those loyal followers would not jump to attack him, even after allegations of misusing donor funds for extravagant personal expenses and fostering an abusive workplace culture. But the group’s followers didn’t just turn a blind eye to the allegations. Instead, they launched an entire campaign to cancel Project Veritas itself. The narrative quickly emerged on social media: The company, which was founded to humiliate people and get them canceled for being corrupt and/or too liberal, was itself corrupt and/or too liberal. |
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Because there is no money in Ivermectin and the fact they wouldn't get their EUA, they themselves, and their complicit funded media slammed Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and outright lied to the American public by convincing them, once vaccinated, covid stopped in its tracks.
Many don't know they didn't even test to see if this was true. They just spewed as if it was.
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Even now, we would have very useful adverse event data for comparison if Pfizer had not offered the vaccine to the control group of their clinical trial participants after only three months. |
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Shocking how it has turned out that this untested drug doesn't do at all what science, the institution and not the method, claimed that it did while using force to push people into taking it. Who could have seen that coming? Disclosure: I have a bias towards Pfizer as a minor shareholder. |
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I wish you would occasionally make an appeal to authority, like cite an actual study showing that your claims are true. But alas, you just exist in your echo chamber. Traditional vaccines they are not, but the Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna mRNA covid vaccines have been shown to reduce deaths, hospitalizations, and improve long covid outcomes, time and time again. You do have to get boosters though, as the virus is mutating. https://covid19.nih.gov/covid-19-top...id-19-vaccines Last edited by cgjackson222; 03-07-2023 at 02:00 PM. |
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2) Spike proteins cause vascular damage, that is why we are seeing adverse events throughout the body, heart issues, clotting, etc, whether you get the spike proteins from covid or the mRNA. 3) Injecting the mRNA into the muscle was supposed to keep the spike proteins localized and only active for a short time. What they found is that the spike proteins circulate throughout the body and can stay active for longer periods. How long? Not sure. Does the body keep producing spike proteins? Maybe. That is what long-term trials are for. mRNA technology has been in development for a long time. Why were the covid vaccines the first to get approved? All previous attempts failed in non-clinical trials because of the adverse events to the animals in the trials. |
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I have posted, as many times as I have posted that appeals to authority are not logical arguments, that the ‘vaccines’ do improve end case outcomes, for at least some time, in the overall population. I don’t know what you want a study saying. You need a study link to show that the ‘vaccine’ does not stop transmission? This has already been admitted by your authorities. You want a study showing it does not produce immunity? Again your authorities have had to concede this. On this very page are some of the original public comments by your authorities showing the original claims, and hospitalization data that it does not make people immune or stop transmission. That data does suggest it improves end case outcome, primarily in at risk groups. I am happy to provide evidence for any and all of my claims to fact. Which one are you looking for the evidentiary basis of? |
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So you agree with the statement that "Traditional vaccines they are not, but the Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna mRNA covid vaccines have been shown to reduce deaths, hospitalizations, and improve long covid outcomes, time and time again. You do have to get boosters though, as the virus is mutating"? I was never under the impression that the vaccine was billed as stopping transmission. When was that claimed? https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N31F20E |
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And I think you may be confused. You were killing Grandma if you didn't wear a mask AND refused to get vaccinated, and hung out with your Grandma who was also unvaccinated and didn't wear a mask. That was your best bet. Last edited by cgjackson222; 03-07-2023 at 02:57 PM. |
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I have said it on this very page of the thread. The data suggests the "vaccine" does have some treatment validity, that it reduces the odds of death, of hospitalization, and of having a very bad case. I have made no comment about the relative value of boosters, and I don't know if the 5th or 6th or 7th or 8th shot or whatever number we are on now improves outcomes. Most data sets do not separate beyond the 2nd injection. I fundamentally disagree that people "have to" do almost anything, which is a value opinion, rooted in my liberal, until very recently leftist, approach that the right of the free individual is greater than the right of his neighbors to force him to do what they want, if you mean that statement in the sense that people must submit to the injection. The body of people who disagree with you do not all agree with each other. I posted a breakdown just yesterday (or maybe the day before) of where Irv and I seem to disagree or agree. This thread is long and lots of people have said lots of things, but if you are going to take the time to accuse someone of a view, make sure that they are not on record saying the opposite. When they are on the transcript consistently stating the opposite it really sinks the 'gotcha!'. Quote:
Here's a source of one of these, from a source with a left bias: https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-...e-coronavirus/ So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said. “When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that’s when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community.” Recently, as has been posted before, Pfizer has admitted in court that they didn't even really test for this claim at all. Taking the shots does not significantly alter transmission or "prevent the spread of the virus throughout the community", and nobody is even really trying to defend that now, even though it was absolutely part of their sales pitch. |
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So you aren't claiming that Pfizer/Biontech or Moderna ever claimed that you would actually become immune, are you? Last edited by cgjackson222; 03-07-2023 at 03:55 PM. |
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If the vaccine had, in fact, stopped transmission of the variants present at that time but not later ones, Facuci's pitch here would have been reasonable. We can't predict the future, or prove a medication, drug, injection, vaccine or "vaccine" against conditions or diseases that do not yet exist will work. However, the vaccine, at no point, ever stopped transmission. That was never the case. It was never a dead end. It was not true in May 2020 or May 2021 or May 2022. He, the authority leading the states push and the most commonly appealed too, either did not know this huge claim was untrue, or he lied. Quote:
I would have to research this claim I have not made. Last edited by G1911; 03-07-2023 at 04:01 PM. Reason: Fixed quote formatting, no words altered. |
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