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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Resulting in a different hand made plate being used to continue production. |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Bob
Supposedly the plate with the Plank card on it "cracked" which resulted in the scarcity of T206 Planks. Why it didn't result in a scarcity of the other cards on this plate, if this is true, is a mystery. |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: MVSNYC
T206: |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: boxingcardman
have marked differences in their back text which came from different plates being used. As noted in my Old Cardboard article, it is possible to use these text differences to some extent to date the various print runs. |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
My point of course is that if you take a plate, print some cards with it, then hand tool a near duplicate plate, it is not an exact duplicate. And each plate therefore produces its own unique variation of a card (front or back or both). If this has happened which cards has it happened with? |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
TBOB |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: ItsOnlyGil
It would be important that the plates were hand tooled, because machine tooled plates are far less likely to produce a discernable variation, I think (but I don't know). |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
GIL |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: J Hull
I own a copy of the “Practical Text Book of Lithography,” published in 1912, which was basically a handbook for pressman apprentices. We have to keep in mind that lithography is a process based on the repulsion of grease and water. The plate used to apply ink to tobacco card stock was not itself engraved in any way. Instead there was a multi-step process by which an artist’s concept for a picture ended up as a series of lithographic printing plates, one for each color in the image. I haven’t read the book in a couple years, but glancing at it again tonight I found this sentence which pretty neatly lays it out: “It is found most practical for commercial lithography to first draw the design on paper, then engrave it in reverse on stone, and then transfer it to the printing plate by the use of transfer paper.” The transfer paper was specially treated to absorb greasy substances from the engraved stone and apply them to the smooth plate that was installed in the press. The plate in the press was then dampened with water, and it was the interplay of the ink with the water and grease portions of the transferred image that was used to create the picture on the cardboard stock. |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Well Ted, to me the differences are not obvious, as evidenced by the fact that in several minutes of study I do not notice any difference which can not be dismissed as a scan quality variation. I'm sure that once you point them out, I will forever more find them obvious as well. |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Jamie: |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: 1880nonsports
was the same in concept - for the Ginter and early chromo/stipple/and whatever produced cards - the images were produced directly from the stone. The difference in the T cards is the the heavy and cumbersome stones no longer had to be moved around - and enjoyed a greater survival rate. No guarantee whether written or implied relative to the aforementioned - I have seen the early stones in person and have tried in recent times to learn more about printing and production used on my cards. I believe we as a whole (the sports and non sports hobby) need more intensive focus on printing techniques and distribution issues. Someone or a couple of people that are familiar with the early print processes and also have a dedication to cards need to help in synthesising some of the information out there. If we can gather up all the little pieces I'm convinced it will shed some new light on some of the many questions still unanswered about early issues. |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: davidcycleback
With an 1880s baseball lithograph printing plate, if there was damage they could fix it up. This might cause changes the graphics. |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The top Mantle in my post is a flawless copy (Type I). |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Ted, in the t206 set, weren't "identical" card fronts produced at different locations employing different plates? |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Henry: |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Litho = stone... graphy = printing |
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Did any hand made plate for any set ever have to be replaced?
Posted By: Jason Duncan
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