PSA. What a Joke!!

[cammb]

This is what PSA considers a 6.On the front, there is a crease on top right corner and bottom left corner. On the brim of his hat there is what appears to be writing indentation. On the right side below his shoulder there appears to be scratches. On the rear, there is a paper fold in the bottom crease. The card also looks like it is bent. What do you think? Should I break it out to support my suspicions or just leave it.


IMG_3308 by Tony Biviano, on Flickr

[skelly423]

Save your money. It's clearly a bad grading job, but busting it out to get a 3 or 4 hardly seems worth the hassle.

[parkplace33]

100 percent leave it in the slab if you want to maintain value.

[G1911]

Leave as is. There is no objective truth, there is only the will of PSA. If the anonymous experts say it is a 6, it is a 6. Do not question the experts.

[raulus]

Maybe the superior centering offsets those other obvious flaws, and you sort of average out at a 6.

[yes, I'm joking...]

[perezfan]

Not surprised. It would sell to a “sheeple” for much more than a truly NRMT raw example, so just leave it in its idiotic slab. The emperor’s new clothes always prevail in this “hobby”.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Not surprised. It would sell to a “sheeple” for much more than a truly NRMT raw example, so just leave it in its idiotic slab. The emperor’s new clothes always prevail in this “hobby”.

+1. Buy the number, not the card!
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[Johnny630]

The question is why would this card in this shape even be graded? The answer is, The PSA’s Registry, it has many wrapped around it’s finger. PSA Dominates, the Registry is a Money Making Marketing Machine !

[cgjackson222]

This card was obviously graded many years ago, based on the Certification number and the look of the slab.

Another example of just how far PSA has moved the goal posts over the years.

Probably would grade about a 3 these days?

[prestigecollectibles]

I just received this card from PSA and sent it back to them for regrading. There is no way I could sell this as a 6.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

I just received this card from PSA and sent it back to them for regrading. There is no way I could sell this as a 6.

Saw this on your latest YouTube video Robert. That is unexplainable, the label is right and everything. So being an accident is ruled out. Crazy.

[JollyElm]

793. Flipomatic Immunity
As long as it’s not cracked out of its slab, a card - even a completely overgraded one - will remain at the number the TPG deemed it to be and will forever enjoy the fruits and values associated with that particular grade.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

I just received this card from PSA and sent it back to them for regrading. There is no way I could sell this as a 6.

That is amazing. What in the world?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by raulus

Maybe the superior centering offsets those other obvious flaws, and you sort of average out at a 6.

[yes, I'm joking...]

hahahaha....

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Not surprised. It would sell to a “sheeple” for much more than a truly NRMT raw example, so just leave it in its idiotic slab. The emperor’s new clothes always prevail in this “hobby”.

Heaven forbid anybody foregoes all this slabbing/authentication and can use their own set of eyes and personal experience to draw their own conclusions. Hey, why bother retaining any knowledge whatsoever when a slip of paper in a piece of plastic can do all the work for them?

Sheesh.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

793. Flipomatic Immunity
As long as it’s not cracked out of its slab, a card - even a completely overgraded one - will remain at the number the TPG deemed it to be and will forever enjoy the fruits and values associated with that particular grade.

THAT's what I'm talking about!

[cammb]

I will likely break it out since I didn’t, pay much for it. I will repost with the raw photo

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

100 percent leave it in the slab if you want to maintain value.

Of the slab, not the card, oh but wait, that's what some of you guys collect, all good then.

Doug

[cammb]

Just like I saw. Card is bent at two locations and has numerous scratches on front.


IMG_3309 by Tony Biviano, on Flickr

[Snowman]

This card was graded a long time ago. Pretty much any cert that begins with a 0 or a 1 is going to be full two grades high when measured against today's standards. This is just another example in a long line of these slabs. Would grade as a 4 today.

[glynparson]

Old grade of a card worth less then $10 who cares.

[JamesGallo]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

I just received this card from PSA and sent it back to them for regrading. There is no way I could sell this as a 6.

I think this is lost in this thread, very commendable of you to send an overgraded card back to get corrected.

James G

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by JamesGallo

I think this is lost in this thread, very commendable of you to send an overgraded card back to get corrected.

James G

People do it all the time. I had a Bowman Color Duke Snider that had a huge water stain on it graded a 6.

[scooter729]

And then there's the other end of the spectrum. I just got this back from SGC. I bought it from an 80 year old, the uncle of a good friend, who bought this as a 10 year old.

Apparently a light crease (hard to see in the scan) and a light back stamp (of the person's name) is enough to get just a 1 these days.

There really should be more done to differentiate cards at the lower end of the grading scale. This is so much nicer than most 1's, many of which look like they were left out in the rain overnight. Does this really deserve a 1??

[bobbyw8469]

I think they are calling them 1's to just say "Hey...there is a reason this card looks so nice but has a crappy grade. Look closer". But you are right. That card is no 1. That is why you see a huge disparency on pricing. I bet buyers would line up and down the block to offer you VCP average for that card.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by scooter729

And then there's the other end of the spectrum. I just got this back from SGC. I bought it from an 80 year old, the uncle of a good friend, who bought this as a 10 year old.

Apparently a light crease (hard to see in the scan) and a light back stamp (of the person's name) is enough to get just a 1 these days.

There really should be more done to differentiate cards at the lower end of the grading scale. This is so much nicer than most 1's, many of which look like they were left out in the rain overnight. Does this really deserve a 1??

The ink stamping should drop it down to a 2 if I'm reading their standards correctly. I guess the card's other flaws dropped it even lower.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

This is all a matter of opinion, but to me, yes, anything with a stamp should be a 1 all day long, regardless of all its other glorious attributes. Sorry, it may look really splendiferous otherwise, but a stamp scars it for life. (I didn't read their standards as Jim described above.)

I think it's a gorgeous card, and so will many, many others whenever the time comes to sell it, and it will fetch exponentially more than practically any other "1". Only the truly uneducated would offer the same for this one as a "1" that looks like it's been disemboweled. Nothing to lose sleep over.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Snowman

This card was graded a long time ago. Pretty much any cert that begins with a 0 or a 1 is going to be full two grades high when measured against today's standards. This is just another example in a long line of these slabs. Would grade as a 4 today.

Would have only been vg+ before grading came along. Unless it was in a flea market, then more like "mint except for that corner"

[steve B]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Old grade of a card worth less then $10 who cares.

So how much does it have to be worth before it's worth doing the job right?

^^^ One of the biggest problems "we" have in society, from major corporations to kids flipping burgers.

Every job is worth doing right. If it's not "worth it" to do it right they need to ___ off to some other job.

[steve B]

Yeah, crease+mark+water stain=1 even if it looks great.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by steve B

So how much does it have to be worth before it's worth doing the job right?

^^^ One of the biggest problems "we" have in society, from major corporations to kids flipping burgers.

Every job is worth doing right. If it's not "worth it" to do it right they need to ___ off to some other job.

I think his point was that it was ridiculous to grade this card in this condition in the first place. It's a 1960 Topps Common in Vg-Exmt Shape, no need to grade this. Oh wait yes there is....Again PSA Registry Dominates this Business.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I think his point was that it was ridiculous to grade this card in this condition in the first place. It's a 1960 Topps Common in Vg-Exmt Shape, no need to grade this. Oh wait yes there is....Again PSA Registry Dominates this Business.

I agree that it wasn't really ever worth grading a card like this.

One of the first shows I went to once grading got big a bunch of dealers had boxes full of inexpensive cards in sort of low grades, all for sale for less than the standard grading fee. Apparently they would send in every card in a collection that was halfway decent for a very low bulk price, make very good money on the few 8+ and unload the rest barely above cost.


I'm just annoyed at the attitude I see all too often that shoddy work should be given a pass because the job doesn't pay well, or the there isn't much money involved.
The old "It was graded years ago" and "it's not worth much anyway" just seems wrong, especially here. That card was vg, maybe vg-ex way before grading even existed. It's decades past when we should be making excuses for the "experts"

Our local fast food basically got orders wrong about 20% of the time and "it's ok because they only make minimum wage". Then what usually follows is that if they're paid more better workers can be hired. Nope! Now the local mcds is paying almost 20/hour and still messing up regularly.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Old grade of a card worth less then $10 who cares.

Expect nothing less from a PSA lover

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I think his point was that it was ridiculous to grade this card in this condition in the first place. It's a 1960 Topps Common in Vg-Exmt Shape, no need to grade this. Oh wait yes there is....Again PSA Registry Dominates this Business.

I collect complete sets in graded condition, therefore commons have to be graded. Rather look at a nice common graded in nm instead of all the stars I see in 1 or 2.

[G1911]

It doesn’t matter because it’s old. It doesn’t matter because it’s not expensive. These graders got it good, I’ve never seen a customer base so willing to embrace any mental gymnastics to dismiss their repeated and frequent incompetence.

[steve5838]

Originally Posted by scooter729

And then there's the other end of the spectrum. I just got this back from SGC. I bought it from an 80 year old, the uncle of a good friend, who bought this as a 10 year old.

Apparently a light crease (hard to see in the scan) and a light back stamp (of the person's name) is enough to get just a 1 these days.

There really should be more done to differentiate cards at the lower end of the grading scale. This is so much nicer than most 1's, many of which look like they were left out in the rain overnight. Does this really deserve a 1??

Gorgeous card!! It gives me hope that maybe one day I could find such a beauty. I would line up all day for a chance to buy a 1 like that!

[Fred]

I'm a buyer all day for the 52 Mays graded 1 by SGC in post #24 (especially if the price is in line with the grade). EYE APPEAL baby!

[jcmtiger]

[QUOTE=prestigecollectibles;2307625]I just received this card from PSA and sent it back to them for regrading. There is no way I could sell this as a 6.[/QU
Not with those rounded corners unless that’s how the came.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by steve5838

Gorgeous card!! It gives me hope that maybe one day I could find such a beauty. I would line up all day for a chance to buy a 1 like that!

Thank you! I held out for a while to find the right Mays, and was lucky this one fell my way. Grade aside, this one will happily be welcomed into my collection for a long time!