1933 Goudey Gum Co. Baseball

[brianp-beme]

Sheet #9 (card numbers 97-99, 128-129, 142, and 214-241) has many of the cards that feature my favorite artwork seen in the Goudey set.

Brian (lordy no not mine)

[SAllen2556]

Can someone explain something that has always bugged me about Goudeys: some cards seem to meticulously reproduce team names on both the uniforms and the hats, while others are conspicuously missing any team insignia at all. I love the Gehringer card but I wish his cap had the old English D on it.

Any reason why so many players are missing their team names on uniforms and caps? If it were today you'd think they hadn't paid for the rights to use the team names.

[Exhibitman]

That's a really interesting sheet, Brian. I realize when looking at it that most of my favorites from the set are on there.

[lampertb]

Originally Posted by t206fanatic

Have posted it before, but I think the best looking card in the set

I totally agree, and I have the full set minus 1 card. The colors on that Goslin pop!

[packs]

My only 33 (and Lou):

[tedzan]

Two very interesting ballplayers. One whose fame was on the playing field and another whose fame was off the playing field.

Charles Gehringer is rated as one of the all-around greatest 2nd Baseman.

Moe Berg lived an unbelievable life. I highly recommend reading his SABR bio....... http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e1e65b3b






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[tedzan]

Graded "A" for Awesome and Affordable......

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[CardPadre]

Best pals.

[tedzan]

First and Last cards in this set. Tough to find in Ex (or better) condition.





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[tedzan]

And, I'll jazz up this O'Doul post with one of his early PCL cards.




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[brianp-beme]

Ted's O'Doul post spurred me to share a printing error example in an issue that printing miscues are rarely seen.

Brian

[alywa]

These are my two prettiest.

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Ted's O'Doul post spurred me to share a printing error example in an issue that printing miscues are rarely seen.

Brian

Brian....tis very true. GOUDEY's Quality Assurance was pretty darn good. After sorting thru several 100's of 1933 GOUDEY
cards throughout the years to complete my set, this Manush is the only printing error I came across. It's missing blue ink.


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[Exhibitman]

[GeoPoto]

Few thoughts regarding this hall-of-famer:

< He was 27 before he played his first full season in MLB.

< Some time in his mid-twenties, acquired the nickname "Sam". Nobody knows how.

< Oblivious (as was everyone at the time) to the "magic significance" that would eventually be attached to "HoF milestones", he retired in 1934 thirteen hits shy of 3,000. His batting average in 1934 was .293.

< Finally, here is a guy who at age 21 lost his wife, two daughters, two sisters, and both parents in a tornado, yet is pictured here near the end of his hall of fame career, in front of a cloudless bright blue sky. At the time, nobody in the public knew anything about how the tragic tornado affected Sam's family!

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[ValKehl]

George, I'm lovin' your gorgeous 1933 Goudey of Sam Rice! Here's a few more tidbits about Sam:

< He missed all but 7 games in 1918, which would have been his second "full year" (600+ plate appearances), due to being drafted into the military for WW1. Hence, his second full year was in 1919 at age 29!

< His last "full year" was 1930 at age 40, in which Sam had 207 base hits and batted .349, the second highest average of his career (he hit .350 in 1925).

< Rice had 19 World Series hits, which puts him at 3,006 total hits for his MLB career.

[tedzan]

1934 GOUDEY High #'s sheet (cards #73 - 96), which includes the "1933 GOUDEY" Lajoie card.





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[Trublubrucru]

Here is my six pack of '33s I acquired over my collecting life. The Jimmy Foxx and Mickey Cochrane were obtained in actual card swaps with neighborhood card collecting pals in 1981-82. That's when a trade was a trade

[brianp-beme]

The 1933 Goudey Lajoie card took the place on this sheet that was otherwise occupied by the 1934 #82 Bill Hallahan card. So in theory this Hallahan card should have an infinitesimally smaller card population than the rest of the high numbers, since this Lajoie sheet was most likely only printed in very limited quantities.

The PSA and SGC population reports both show the availability of the Hallahan card being in the average range for the high numbers, so there goes my infinitesimal thought.

Brian

Originally Posted by tedzan

1934 GOUDEY High #'s sheet (cards #73 - 96), which includes the "1933 GOUDEY" Lajoie card.





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[tedzan]

on this sheet that was otherwise occupied by the 1934 #82 Bill Hallahan card. So in theory this Hallahan card should have an infinitesimally smaller card population than the rest of the high numbers, since this Lajoie sheet was most likely only printed in very limited quantities.

The PSA and SGC population reports both show the availability of the Hallahan card being in the average range for the high numbers, so there goes my infinitesimal thought.
Brian[/QUOTE]


Hi Brian

Bill Hallahan is on the bottom row (2nd card from the left edge) on this 1934 GOUDEY Hi #s sheet. I don't think the Hallahan card was ever short-printed.

GOUDEY printed all their 1933 and 1934 BB cards on 24-card sheets. In 1934, GOUDEY expanded their Hi #s sheet to 25-cards to include the Lajoie card.



..................................Hallahan......



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[brianp-beme]

Thanks Ted, I thought I was onto something. Instead it reminds me I should set up an appointment to get my eyes checked...and my brain scanned to find out if anything rattled loose.

Brian

Originally Posted by tedzan

on this sheet that was otherwise occupied by the 1934 #82 Bill Hallahan card. So in theory this Hallahan card should have an infinitesimally smaller card population than the rest of the high numbers, since this Lajoie sheet was most likely only printed in very limited quantities.

The PSA and SGC population reports both show the availability of the Hallahan card being in the average range for the high numbers, so there goes my infinitesimal thought.
Brian

Hi Brian

Bill Hallahan is on the bottom row (2nd card from the left edge) on this 1934 GOUDEY Hi #s sheet. I don't think the Hallahan card was ever short-printed.

GOUDEY printed all their 1933 and 1934 BB cards on 24-card sheets. In 1934, GOUDEY expanded their Hi #s sheet to 25-cards to include the Lajoie card.



..................................Hallahan......



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[tedzan]

Remembering Babe Ruth's called HR in the game 3 of the 1932 World Series.





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[GeoPoto]

Henry E. "Heinie" Manush. Outfielder for the Washington Senators in 1930-1935. 2,524 hits and 110 home runs in 17 MLB seasons. Had a .330 career batting average. 1934 All-Star. 1926 AL batting champion. Had more than 200 hits four times. In 1964, was inducted to the MLB Hall of Fame. Debuted with the Detroit Tigers in 1923. Leading batter on the 1933 Washington Senator team that won the AL pennant. First and last player to be ejected from a World Series game. Had 241 hits in 1928. Coach for the Washington Senators in 1953-1954.

Manush's SABR biography explains how Manush became the (first and) last player to be thrown out of a World Series game:

It was a thrill to be in the (1933) World Series, but Manush was terribly disappointed in his performance (he had two singles in five games). During the Series, he took it out on the umpires. In Game 3, the Senators had the tying run on second with two out in the sixth inning, when Manush hit a ball past a diving Bill Terry that Howie Critz somehow grabbed and flipped to Hubbell to nip Manush — that is, according to umpire Charlie Moran. It was an extremely close play, and an enraged Senators outfielder and his infuriated manager hotly debated the call! The home plate umpire finally broke up the fierce confrontation by ordering Cronin and Manush to take their positions in the field. While Cronin reluctantly sauntered out to shortstop, Manush gave Moran one more verbal blast on his way out to right field and was tossed from the game. It took all of Cronin’s strength to restrain his right fielder from attacking Moran. After being dragged off the field, Manush had to be physically restrained from throwing things at the first-base umpire. Washington fans showed their displeasure at the call by heaving hundreds of soda bottles in the umpire’s direction.

Manush recalled the play years later. “It actually was more than an argument,” he said. “Moran had every right to chase me when I tell you what I did. I was too smart to lay a hand on Moran when I was arguing the call. But when he bellied up to me and asked me what I wanted to make of it, there was a temptation that was too great. Moran, like the other umps in those days, was wearing a black bow tie, the kind that comes with an elastic band. What I did was grab the tie and let it snap back into Moran’s neck. That’s when he gave it to me.”

Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis, who was at the game, disagreed with the umpire’s decision to kick Manush out, and ruled from then on, that no player in the World Series could be thrown out without first getting the commissioner’s almighty permission.

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[tedzan]

Two Texans with terrific Hitting ability





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[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Two Texans with terrific Hitting ability





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Nice ones!
I need a centered DS Hornsby!
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[tedzan]

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[brianp-beme]

Trimmed to the border 1933 and 1934 Goudeys, all no longer mine...but I still have the artsy photo.

Brian

[GeoPoto]

Fred W. "Fritz" Schulte. Center fielder for the Washington Senators in 1933-1935. 1,241 hits and 47 home runs in 11 MLB seasons. He had a career OBP of .362. He debuted with the St. Louis Browns in 1927. His best year was 1932 for St. Louis as he posted a .373 OBP with 106 runs scored in 639 plate appearances. He also posted a .366 OBP with 98 runs scored in 622 plate appearances in 1933 as Washington won the AL pennant. He finished his career with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1936-1937.

Schulte's SABR biography talks to his 1933 season: Spring training in 1933 took place during what was the low point of the Great Depression. In March, an estimated 15.8 million people out of the nation’s civilian workforce of 51.5 million were without jobs. Major-league attendance had fallen from 10.1 million in 1930 to less than 7 million in 1932, so the outlook for the 1933 season was bleak. Yet thanks to Washington’s run to the AL pennant, Griffith Stadium attracted 60,000 more paying customers, even as attendance in both leagues fell to a decade-low 6.1 million in 1933. The Senators’ home attendance was second only to that of the second-place Yankees.

A 13-game winning streak in August separated Washington from New York. By mid-September, the Nats had a 10-game lead over the Yanks. They wound up winning 99 games and finishing seven games ahead. The December trade that sent Schulte to Washington was of no immediate help to the Browns, who finished last with 55 wins.

Schulte got off to a hot start and had his average over .400 as late as May 10. Despite missing time after breaking a finger, he was still hitting .330 in late July. By then the rest of the Washington lineup was picking up any slack. Schulte hit and fielded well enough that fans soon stopped lamenting the loss of (Sam) West (who had been traded away as part of the deal that brought Schulte to Washington).

In a potent Senators lineup, Schulte held his own: second in runs scored (98), fourth in RBIs (87), and fifth in hits (162, one behind Goslin). On a team with four regulars who hit .302 or higher, Schulte’s .295 was just sixth-best. As a team, Washington hit a league-leading .287.

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[BabyRuth]

Blank back Ruth

[tedzan]

And here is another Pennsylvanian...."Hack" Wilson drove in 191 runs in 1930,
which still is the all-time RBI record for a single season.
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[brianp-beme]

Some of the full body poses in the 1933 Goudey set just feel like summertime...here is Al Simmons playing our game.

Brian (If this was a 1938 Goudey card, the water bucket would have been depicted with a cartoon)

[tedzan]

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[GeoPoto]

Charles S. "Buddy" Myer. Second baseman with the Washington Senators in 1925-1927 and 1929-1941. 2,131 hits and 38 home runs in 17 MLB seaons. He had a career OBP of .389. 2-time All-Star. 1935 AL Batting champion. 1928 AL Stolen Base leader. His best season was 1935 for Washington as he posted a .440 OBP with 115 runs scored and 100 RBI's in 719 plate appearances. He was involved in one of baseball's most violent brawls when he was spiked and possibly racially derided by the Yankees' Ben Chapman.

Myer's SABR biography: Buddy Myer was the “cocky little second baseman” of the Washington Senators when they won their last American League pennant in 1933. In 17 seasons in the majors, he won a batting title and was a two-time All-Star. Myer was often cited as one of the few Jewish baseball stars and was chosen for the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, but he was a member of the Baptist church. . . .

. . . Early in the 1933 season, the Yankees’ Ben Chapman took him out with a hard slide, slicing open his shoe and cutting his foot. Myer kicked Chapman and Chapman fought back. Both men were ejected, but as Chapman passed through the Senators dugout on his way to the visitors’ clubhouse, he slugged Washington pitcher Earl Whitehill, igniting a near-riot that was remembered for years. The Senators swarmed Chapman, the Yankees charged across the field to his rescue, and angry fans joined the festivities. Police broke it up and arrested five civilians. Chapman, Myer, and Whitehill were suspended for five days and fined $100 each. (Chapman was traded to the Senators three years later. When he joined the team on the road, he walked into the hotel dining room and sat down beside Myer. They were soon talking and laughing together.)

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[tedzan]

The Pete Jablonowski card in my set has the official Copyright stamp on the back of his card. You seldom see 1933 Goudey's
with their Copyright stamp. If you happen to have any of them, feel free to post them here.




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[GeoPoto]

I don't have any copyright stamps, but there are plenty of Washington players in the set:

Alphonse "Tommy" Thomas. Pitcher for the Washington Senators in 1932-1935. 117 wins and 13 saves in 12 MLB seasons. He debuted with the Chicago White Sox in 1926-1932. His best season was 1927 with Chicago as he posted a 19-16 record with a 2.98 ERA in 307.2 innings pitched. He finished his career with the Boston Red Sox in 1937.

Thomas didn't get to the major leagues until 1926, his age-26 season. Over the next six seasons he averaged 250 innings pitched for the White Sox. Before that he starred for Baltimore in the International League. Thomas' SABR biography sums it up:

Baltimore native Tommy Thomas signed his first professional baseball contract while still in high school and later became a standout pitcher on one of the greatest minor league teams of all time. . . .

. . . Thomas won 105 games while losing only 54 during his five years with Baltimore. He appeared in the Little World Series with Baltimore four times, going 4-4 in post-season play. Thomas’ lifetime pitching record in the International League was a stellar 138 wins, 85 losses and a 3.30 earned run average.

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[Ben Yourg]

I like this one a lot

[brianp-beme]

Nothing wrong with posting more 1933 Goudey cards, even if as kids they skipped meals which resulted in stunted growth.

Brian

[GeoPoto]

Russell's SABR biography: With a lifetime record of 85-141 and a career earned-run average of 4.46, Russell was never in great demand – witness that three times he was signed by a team as a free agent, decades before free agency was the norm and could typically be achieved only by being unconditionally released by a ballclub. . . .

(Although he led the league in appearances in 1934 and was selected to the American League All-Star squad (in just the second All-Star Game ever played), 1933 was Russell's only excellent season out of 15 spent in MLB. His career record was 85-141 with a 4.46 ERA. But it turns out baseball may not have been his best sport.)

. . . In the (1935-36) offseason Russell played some golf in Florida and on February 1 led the field in the Florida State baseball players’ tournament, with a first-round 74. Wes Ferrell ultimately claimed the lead and Russell finished fifth. It was Ferrell first and Russell second in the 1940 tournament. Finally, years later, in the 1950 tournament, Russell won the whole thing, though he had to play an extra nine holes – “extra innings” – to beat Ferrell. It was the first of several wins. Russell later became president of the Florida State Golf Association. In 1961 he won the American Seniors Championship.

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[LuckyLarry]

[QUOTE=tedzan;2313001]The Pete Jablonowski card in my set has the official Copyright stamp on the back of his card. You seldom see 1933 Goudey's
with their Copyright stamp. If you happen to have any of them, feel free to post them here.

I've got one:

[robinsonmantle]

A few 1933 Goudey cards

[Ben Yourg]

I may be selling my 239 card set soon.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Ben Yourg

I may be selling my 239 card set soon.

Those are really nice-looking cards for low grade.

Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

[Tennis13]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

Russell's SABR biography: With a lifetime record of 85-141 and a career earned-run average of 4.46, Russell was never in great demand – witness that three times he was signed by a team as a free agent, decades before free agency was the norm and could typically be achieved only by being unconditionally released by a ballclub. . . .

(Although he led the league in appearances in 1934 and was selected to the American League All-Star squad (in just the second All-Star Game ever played), 1933 was Russell's only excellent season out of 15 spent in MLB. His career record was 85-141 with a 4.46 ERA. But it turns out baseball may not have been his best sport.)

. . . In the (1935-36) offseason Russell played some golf in Florida and on February 1 led the field in the Florida State baseball players’ tournament, with a first-round 74. Wes Ferrell ultimately claimed the lead and Russell finished fifth. It was Ferrell first and Russell second in the 1940 tournament. Finally, years later, in the 1950 tournament, Russell won the whole thing, though he had to play an extra nine holes – “extra innings” – to beat Ferrell. It was the first of several wins. Russell later became president of the Florida State Golf Association. In 1961 he won the American Seniors Championship.

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I hve Jack Russell’s lifetime pass to baseball games. I bought it a few years back. I used to skip school once per year and go with my grandpa to Phillies Spring Training games as a kid at Jack Russell Stadium, so I wanted the one of a kind history. I have around 10 of his 1933 cards as well.

[StraightRaceCards]

Currently reading the “Spoke” biography on Tris Speaker. Highly recommend, lots of great season by season detail

While reading I stumbled across a player who has a card in the ‘33 Goudey set, Ted Lyons. Looked him up and realized that he is my alma mater’s (Baylor University) only HOF player and a prewar one at that. So cool!

What really made me chuckle was reading his SABR bio.. he lettered in baseball and track making him a Baylor track alum like myself!

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ted-lyons/

I don’t know the ‘33 Goudey set well- are there many cards that talk about the player’s college background? I thought it was pretty cool to see Baylor mentioned on the back of the card…

And a card for reference from the eBay auction I missed out on last night…I need to get a Lyons one of these days!

[puckpaul]

Love 33 Goudeys! Maybe my favorite set (…uh, except the M101-1s and T3s and the others i love).

Always drawn to these cards…Al Simmons and the pink/purple Gehringer.

[refz]

I’ll throw some more in to keep this going. I love this set!

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

1933 Goudey has so many cards of great Players.

One thing I have wondered is why the World Wide Gum issue, which is rarer than they Goudy does not sell for as much.

I will venture to guess that the demand for those WWG cards is lower due to the dual language write-ups on the backs, and most collectors only want to see
English without the additional French. Just my guess.

[Johnny T]

Originally Posted by LuckyLarry

After several years chasing this set it appears I will fall short. I still remember 4 or 5 years ago at the National, handing J.D. Heckathorn $1,100 for a raw Babe Ruth #144. Me spending $1,100 for a piece of cardboard? (now slabbed SGC 1 Poor). A couple years later, I retold JD how nervous I was forking out that kind of cash for a card, and he graciously offered to refund my purchase lol. I need the other three Ruth cards, both Gehrig cards, and then two other cards which i should be able to afford #89 Tris Speaker and #223 Dizzy Dean. Might be time to purchase a few reprints and call it done.
(cards are stored raw in TCVERIFY.com mylar sleeves)
Larry

I'm in a similar position...just missing all 4 Ruths, #92 Gehrig and Lajoie...JUST!!! LMAO

Love the set and mine is mostly VG-EX with most of the HOF'ers graded and averaging a 5...and here is some cards.

[robw1959]

I have a bunch of '34s too, but here are my '33s . . .

[Johnny T]

Kind of an outlier to my set...from a condition standpoint...don't see one this nice too often.