National may be in peril

Originally Posted by ullmandds

you DO know the vaccine isn't 100% effective?

Neither are masks or social distancing. Ultimately if you go to a show you are saying I know I am at risk and possibly putting others at risk. Attend at your own discretion and to each his own. At this point I doubt many people attending any events or shows are uneducated about the risk involved. I've been going to toy shows all over the country for over a year now and finally caught the virus right here in my little town of 3000 people. I practiced all the protocols religiously since I have a compromised immune system but still caught it. You can't run from it and because the vaccine isn't 100% effective eventually everyone will have had or will have it unless you haven't left your house for two years. Not everyone is getting the vaccine either. I know one person that hasn't left the house but six times the entire last year.

[packs]

I think that sentiment has a fatal flaw though. The issue with this virus is that it can be transmitted to people who haven't assume the risk. That's the danger of it. You are welcome of course to have your own stance on behaviors but ultimately your behavior can affect other people's health who haven't assumed the same risks.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by packs

I think that sentiment has a fatal flaw though. The issue with this virus is that it can be transmitted to people who haven't assume the risk. That's the danger of it. You are welcome of course to have your own stance on behaviors but ultimately your behavior can affect other people's health who haven't assumed the same risks.

So practice a rule of, oh, I don't know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Maybe with a dash of love thy neighbor as thyself? Hmm...

[packs]

My general rule during the pandemic has been to behave in a way that makes other people around me feel safe and not necessarily act on what I personally consider to be ok for myself.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

So practice a rule of, oh, I don't know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Maybe with a dash of love thy neighbor as thyself? Hmm...

That's old school my friend. If the pandemic has shown me anything it is that there is a significant # of docs and nurses and first responders who are wonderful human beings putting themselves on the line to care for others, and a larger -- much larger -- portion of the population that are 100% selfish pricks who don't give a shit about anyone and think the world revolves around whatever their particular views and desires are.

If you both read my post carefully you would see I said OR put others at risk. I also said I practiced protocol religiously. I didn't say I was or am running around like the so called pricks you mentioned. I unfortunately don't have control over what other people choose to do. I've had both shots of the vaccine and COVID and I STILL practice protocol everywhere I go. Nuff said.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

a larger -- much larger -- portion of the population that are 100% selfish pricks who don't give a shit about anyone and think the world revolves around whatever their particular views and desires are.

Lucky for me or I'd not have a business.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

The idea of "The greater good" is endangered to say the very least.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by packs

I think that sentiment has a fatal flaw though. The issue with this virus is that it can be transmitted to people who haven't assume the risk. That's the danger of it. You are welcome of course to have your own stance on behaviors but ultimately your behavior can affect other people's health who haven't assumed the same risks.

People who smoke around people who don't put people at risk who haven't assumed it

People who text (or talk depending on how) while they drive put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who produce and promote the myriad food offerings that contribute largely to chronic disease in what is supposed to be the richest, most technologically advanced country in the world put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who send their children to school when they have a fever, are sneezing, coughing, etc. put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who create large amounts of unnecessary waste including using an excessive amount of plastic and treating non renewable resources as their privilege put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

Because covid is acutely present and "interrupting our lives" all of a sudden "the greater good" is a priority?! Please.

These came quickly off the top of my head - I am sure there are MANY more things that are done and ignored daily that puts people who haven't assumed it , at risk. Injecting something that has the possibility of harm (however small and without a guarantee of 100% effectiveness) must be a choice.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by hcv123

People who smoke around people who don't put people at risk who haven't assumed it

People who text (or talk depending on how) while they drive put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who produce and promote the myriad food offerings that contribute largely to chronic disease in what is supposed to be the richest, most technologically advanced country in the world put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who send their children to school when they have a fever, are sneezing, coughing, etc. put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who create large amounts of unnecessary waste including using an excessive amount of plastic and treating non renewable resources as their privilege put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

Because covid is acutely present and "interrupting our lives" all of a sudden "the greater good" is a priority?! Please.

These came quickly off the top of my head - I am sure there are MANY more things that are done and ignored daily that puts people who haven't assumed it , at risk. Injecting something that has the possibility of harm (however small and without a guarantee of 100% effectiveness) must be a choice.

Doesn't make any of those things right. With your logic, why not drink and drive? Just making a choice for personal freedom that puts others at risk. If I happen to skid my car into some kids waiting at a school crossing, well, that is just the consequence of my choice, so deal with it, don't get MADD at me.

Drunk drivers are assholes. Parents who send a sick kid to school...assholes. People who text while driving...assholes. People who smoke in non-smoking areas...assholes. You get my drift?

[tschock]

Originally Posted by hcv123

People who smoke around people who don't put people at risk who haven't assumed it

People who text (or talk depending on how) while they drive put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who produce and promote the myriad food offerings that contribute largely to chronic disease in what is supposed to be the richest, most technologically advanced country in the world put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who send their children to school when they have a fever, are sneezing, coughing, etc. put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

People who create large amounts of unnecessary waste including using an excessive amount of plastic and treating non renewable resources as their privilege put people at risk who haven't assumed it.

Because covid is acutely present and "interrupting our lives" all of a sudden "the greater good" is a priority?! Please.

These came quickly off the top of my head - I am sure there are MANY more things that are done and ignored daily that puts people who haven't assumed it , at risk. Injecting something that has the possibility of harm (however small and without a guarantee of 100% effectiveness) must be a choice.

You forgot the irony of ironies. People who lead sedentary lives and haven't taken care of their own health up to this point by eating properly, exercising, and doing the other things to stay healthy in the first place, now want other people to protect them from themselves while ignoring their previously poor life/health decisions.

This list is much larger than those who are at risk through no fault of their own.

[packs]

I don't see any ironies or think there is a concept of the greater good in anything anyone does. We should all be fairly certain by now that nobody cares about the greater good in any capacity.

Still, it doesn't hurt anyone to wear a mask and I do believe people feel respected when you wear your mask in their presence.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't see any ironies or think there is a concept of the greater good in anything anyone does. We should all be fairly certain by now that nobody cares about the greater good in any capacity.

Still, it doesn't hurt anyone to wear a mask and I do believe people feel respected when you wear your mask in their presence.

Removed the attempt at sarcasm. ('for the greater good')

[Snapolit1]

This doesn't look problematic in the slightest. No sir.