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Old 03-04-2021, 01:02 PM
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Default SGC is cranking on recent subs....WOW!!!!!!!

My hunch is that SGC has slowly been taking advantage of the crazy lag times with other TPGs.


I sent them 3 not so valuable vintage cards that they got on 3/1/21 and they are heading back! I paid $15 per card. (3 days turnaround!)

I submitted 8 (old labels with a range of values) and they logged them on 2/26/21. They are on their way back to me as of 3/4/21! (7 day turnaround)

I submitted 4 T206 cards (with 3 Hall of Famers) at the $15 per level and they logged them on 2/23/21 and they are now on the way back to me!! (9 day turnaround)


I send a lot to all companies based on which I feel is best for the card and this recent turnaround time with SGC is astounding!

Love it!

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I would like to use them. Unfortunately, the values for their cards just aren't there yet. Maybe in the future though.
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Old 03-04-2021, 01:09 PM
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I would like to use them. Unfortunately, the values for their cards just aren't there yet. Maybe in the future though.
For high end SGC cards across the board, they compete with PSA all day. I should know, I pay higher sometimes for SGC cards in similar grades. I compete with others that are figuring this out every day.

The secret is out Bobby. I do enjoy less competition however. lol

To each his own though! All good!

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Old 03-04-2021, 01:10 PM
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I would like to use them. Unfortunately, the values for their cards just aren't there yet. Maybe in the future though.


I agree for post-war, but what about pre-war? I don't buy a lot of pre-war any more so I wouldn't know, but I thought their resale values held up vs. PSA with pre-war? If not, they are definitely in trouble!
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Old 03-04-2021, 01:18 PM
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I agree for post-war, but what about pre-war? I don't buy a lot of pre-war any more so I wouldn't know, but I thought their resale values held up vs. PSA with pre-war? If not, they are definitely in trouble!
Their re-sale values vs other TPGs are fine. There is a lot of misinformation out there. In realtion to the "trimming scandal" how many "trouble cards" do you see in SGC holders? Think about that.

I've been collecting since 1976, like a guy like Ted Z, I've seen plenty of cards that are not trimmed. I collect those very cards. Ones that come from original collections or ones that I opened in packs myself etc....

I've NEVER bought an SGC card that ended up on the "scandal boards" so to speak. Never bought another TPG either that has ended up on the boards.

We can argue prices all day but trust me, SGC is healthy pre-war. Newer cards I have no idea!

I hate to say this but it has served me quite well over the years...... "Buy the card.......not the holder". It really is that simple.

Experience and knowledge is healthy. SGC is a company that is not going away. Trust me on that!

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Old 03-04-2021, 01:24 PM
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Their re-sale values vs other TPGs are fine. There is a lot of misinformation out there. In realtion to the "trimming scandal" how many "trouble cards" do you see in SGC holders? Think about that.

I've been collecting since 1976, like a guy like Ted Z, I've seen plenty of cards that are not trimmed. I collect those very cards. Ones that come from original collections etc....

I've NEVER bought an SGC card that ended up on the "boards" so to speak. Never bought another TPG either that has ended up on the boards.

We can argue prices all day but trust me, SGC is healthy pre-war. Newer cards I have no idea!

I hate to say this but it has served me quite well over the years...... "Buy the card.......not the holder". It really is that simple.

Experience and knowledge is healthy. SGC is a company that is not going away. Trust me on that!

Peace, Mike

I have found that people are pretty territorial about their TPGs. If you have spent a bunch of money slabbing PSA, you swear by PSA. if you are up in Canada, you defend KSA to the death. I personally gave my allegiance to SGC, so i am biased there.

What I do know is that SGC grades consistently and an SGC 9 is equivalent to a PSA 9 in terms of card quality. that PSA is some miraculous grader with more stringent standards is a complete myth. if someone wants to pay more for the slab / registry, go for it.
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Old 03-04-2021, 01:27 PM
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I have found that people are pretty territorial about their TPGs. If you have spent a bunch of money slabbing PSA, you swear by PSA. if you are up in Canada, you defend KSA to the death. I personally gave my allegiance to SGC, so i am biased there.

What I do know is that SGC grades consistently and an SGC 9 is equivalent to a PSA 9 in terms of card quality. that PSA is some miraculous grader with more stringent standards is a complete myth. if someone wants to pay more for the slab / registry, go for it.
There is wisdom in these words.....well said Wid. PS I was confused by your SGA allegiance! Until you corrected it! It appears others do type as fast as me with typos! lol

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Old 03-04-2021, 01:31 PM
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There is wisdom in these words.....well said Wid. PS I was confused by your SGA allegiance! Until you corrected it! It appears others do type as fast as me with typos! lol

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ha. i had to change it because I think there is an SGA that was basically a garage operation (similar to USA grading, SG LLC, etc). did not want to give anyone the wrong impression.
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Old 03-04-2021, 01:33 PM
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ha. i had to change it because I think there is an SGA that was basically a garage operation (similar to USA grading, SG LLC, etc). did not want to give anyone the wrong impression.
I thought that was odd but honestly, why don't these keyboards and phones know what we mean after all these years! hahahaha

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Awesome news. As soon as prices went up on Monday for PSA I shipped a 7 lower end card order for my PC to SGC.

They logged it in as recieved yesterday before USPS marked it as delivered. So thats a good sign.


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I would like to use them. Unfortunately, the values for their cards just aren't there yet. Maybe in the future though.
That's the kind of thought that makes those of us you don't pay for opinions chuckle.

"Their" cards? Hahahahaa.

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That's good news thank you for sharing. Time to make a submission!
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Are there collectors the defend KSA? Pardon my laughing as I come back to finish typing my comment!
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Take off, you hoser!
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KSA is real? That's just nuttier than a Tim Horton's maple log.
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Are there collectors the defend KSA? Pardon my laughing as I come back to finish typing my comment!
Lol its true. I was looking for a Gretzky rookie and found my way to a few hockey groups. Some disparaging comments were made about KSA and a lot of collectors took it personally and came to their defense vigorously. They are number 1 in volume with OPC Gretzky rookies , and possibly all of hockey. I think they are under new ownership and apparently really stepped up the last few years
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Great thread. With that sort of timing I am seriously tempted to submit cards for the first time ever, but no offense to the OP; I seriously doubt they will flip it in a week or two. You must have incriminating photos of the owner in drag or something.

I am not territorial about the grading companies, although I agree a lot of people are. I gladly collect any of the big 3 (PSA, SGC, BVG) as well as raw cards, but have never bought a graded card outside of the big 3. I agree PSA resale value is a bit above SGC, but it is card specific. I would say as the years go from 1940 and earlier up to 1970, the $value spread between like-for-like PSA and SGC increases %-wise. In other words, the pricing can be on parity pre 1950, but by the 70s, PSA takes over. I would presume the price delta between the two widens in the 80s and beyond although I don't collect slabs beyond the 70s.

Personally I think SGC and PSG are = in terms of grading toughness, both now and historically, and BVG is on average around a half to 3/4s of a grade easier. But this is just the average and I have seen cases where the BVG grade is = to what the PSA or SGC grade would be.
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Funny you mention it, I looked back recently and realized before I knew anything about grading companies the cards I bought just on aesthetics alone tended to be SGC. I'm glad they're taking advantage of the ridiculous PSA grading times (response times too)/raised prices and building their business!
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Great thread. With that sort of timing I am seriously tempted to submit cards for the first time ever, but no offense to the OP; I seriously doubt they will flip it in a week or two. You must have incriminating photos of the owner in drag or something.

I am not territorial about the grading companies, although I agree a lot of people are. I gladly collect any of the big 3 (PSA, SGC, BVG) as well as raw cards, but have never bought a graded card outside of the big 3. I agree PSA resale value is a bit above SGC, but it is card specific. I would say as the years go from 1940 and earlier up to 1970, the $value spread between like-for-like PSA and SGC increases %-wise. In other words, the pricing can be on parity pre 1950, but by the 70s, PSA takes over. I would presume the price delta between the two widens in the 80s and beyond although I don't collect slabs beyond the 70s.

Personally I think SGC and PSG are = in terms of grading toughness, both now and historically, and BVG is on average around a half to 3/4s of a grade easier. But this is just the average and I have seen cases where the BVG grade is = to what the PSA or SGC grade would be.
Lol I love your response; OP has shown me his SGC account submission grading timelines and sadly no owners in drag photos ��... they really have upped their game and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the turnaround time!

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I mean, in an industry dedicated to precision and attention-to-detail, if you can't trust a company with a misspelling in their own motto/logo, who can you trust?





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I would say as the years go from 1940 and earlier up to 1970, the $value spread between like-for-like PSA and SGC increases %-wise. In other words, the pricing can be on parity pre 1950, but by the 70s, PSA takes over. I would presume the price delta between the two widens in the 80s and beyond although I don't collect slabs beyond the 70s.
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this seems to be generally true...... if you want a Luca triple-ice pink hologram refractor signed with a piece of jersey (limited edition), then definitely PSA has you covered.
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Old 03-04-2021, 05:31 PM
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A few folks have asked so here is the sub line. It was 3 vintage cards at $15 per card. I was shocked as well! I do not guarantee this for anyone let alone myself again, lol. I think it was an outlier but I'm not complaining! I told someone else on here that on March 2nd, the cards were already in "post grading" on the site so I thought there was a problem with them at first. I've never seen anything like it! Very cool!

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Lol I love your response; OP has shown me his SGC account submission grading timelines and sadly no owners in drag photos ��... they really have upped their game and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the turnaround time!
Awesome to see a female SGC T206 collector!

TTYL Renay!

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The apostrophe is used differently in Canadianese.
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They are rolling for sure! My 2/26 economy order is already in "post-grading processing"!
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I would like to use them. Unfortunately, the values for their cards just aren't there yet. Maybe in the future though.
PSA doesn't even provide sub-grade--pretty well a joke if you want to know why your card graded a 8 versus a 9--really a poor grading system--but appears PSA has done a great job of brainwashing --

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Not going to defend them, but if you know the issue they can offer great value. Have bought 100+ and have had no issues. But the cards I'm looking for, I know what to look for. If you need the TPG to guide your decision then they are not a good call, lots of sheet cut, trimmed in KSA slabs but that is pretty common for the TPGs
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Not going to defend them, but if you know the issue they can offer great value. Have bought 100+ and have had no issues. But the cards I'm looking for, I know what to look for. If you need the TPG to guide your decision then they are not a good call, lots of sheet cut, trimmed in KSA slabs but that is pretty common for the TPGs
their new slabs I think inspire a lot more confidence. I think they had issues a long time ago that no one has let it go.
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For high end SGC cards across the board, they compete with PSA all day. I should know, I pay higher sometimes for SGC cards in similar grades. I compete with others that are figuring this out every day.

The secret is out Bobby. I do enjoy less competition however. lol

To each his own though! All good!

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I feel the same way about the high end cards. Not every stupid card needs a PSA holder, though many of mine do. Fact is, I'm not giving my cards away just because they are in SGC holders. If they don't want the cards the way they sit, there is always another one around the corner or someone who appreciates the card, not just the holder. Frankly, if anal Eddies don't want my cards because of the "holder" they can go F themselves. You kids build your collection based on your "perceived values" and I'll just enjoy the cards. How's that?:
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I feel the same way about the high end cards. Not every stupid card needs a PSA holder, though many of mine do. Fact is, I'm not giving my cards away just because they are in SGC holders. If they don't want the cards the way they sit, there is always another one around the corner or someone who appreciates the card, not just the holder. Frankly, if anal Eddies don't want my cards because of the "holder" they can go F themselves. You kids build your collection based on your "perceived values" and I'll just enjoy the cards. How's that?:
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Good to get that off your chest? I think if that had been on netowrk TV you might have gotten "beeped" a couple times! lol

That made me laugh out loud! Very eloquent! lol, seriously , loved it! Thanks for that! I agree all around!

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this seems to be generally true...... if you want a Luca triple-ice pink hologram refractor signed with a piece of jersey (limited edition), then definitely PSA has you covered.
Yeah, but the Cy Young in a sparkling tutu and jockstrap swatch is a much tougher card than the Luca.
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mine took about a month, subbed in late january, back in last week. pretty happy overall, good customer service response as well.
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Not related ...... kinda ..... lol

Paid for this little Gem on Monday Morn off Ebay. It was mailed 1st Class and I got it yesterday (Wednesday). My mail stream has had some good turnaround times lately!


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I just tried to submit this morning. Apparently, the prices increased overnight. $25.00 a card is now the cheapest option.

Just like cards, I'm now also priced out of having cards graded! Back to the basics - enjoying raw cards!
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yep, just saw it. I made a submission a few days ago and now they moved up the prices.

and the stated timing is 20 days, and I think that is a real timeline, as evidenced by the experience in this thread.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:25 AM
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SGC will continue to get my business but I'm going to have to be more selective on what I send them going forward. I would rather pay a little more and get the cards back quicker...plus I still think that the cards look best in an SGC case!
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:42 AM
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My hunch is that SGC has slowly been taking advantage of the crazy lag times with other TPGs.


I sent them 3 not so valuable vintage cards that they got on 3/1/21 and they are heading back! I paid $15 per card. (3 days turnaround!)

I submitted 8 (old labels with a range of values) and they logged them on 2/26/21. They are on their way back to me as of 3/4/21! (7 day turnaround)

I submitted 4 T206 cards (with 3 Hall of Famers) at the $15 per level and they logged them on 2/23/21 and they are now on the way back to me!! (9 day turnaround)


I send a lot to all companies based on which I feel is best for the card and this recent turnaround time with SGC is astounding!

Love it!

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How do you get $15 per card? Looks like $25 is their lowest price per card that I see on their website.

https://gosgc.com/card-grading/services-pricing
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How do you get $15 per card? Looks like $25 is their lowest price per card that I see on their website.

https://gosgc.com/card-grading/services-pricing
they just changed prices, literally last night.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:36 AM
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they just changed prices, literally last night.
LOL. I was impressed with Mike's turnaround and figured I would put together some cards for SGC. Nevermind.
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SGC will continue to get my business but I'm going to have to be more selective on what I send them going forward. I would rather pay a little more and get the cards back quicker...plus I still think that the cards look best in an SGC case!
I think this is the new normal. Grading is now a premium service. $25 for a 20-day turnaround is the best offering in the business. People have paid hundreds for PSA express that takes longer than that.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:15 AM
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And they're now firing shots right on their homepage: "NO BACKLOG, NO BLOATED TURNAROUNDS, NO GAMES"
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I think this is the new normal. Grading is now a premium service. $25 for a 20-day turnaround is the best offering in the business. People have paid hundreds for PSA express that takes longer than that.
Agreed. Hopefully over time these services might split into investment grading (a premium service) and economy grading/slabbing for collectors. Hard to say if it will or won't.

I just sent some cards off to SGC. Also going to try a shipment to CSG for both bulk ($8) and economy ($15). Longer turnarounds but nothing like PSA. If I like how they turn out, I may make it a regular occurrence.
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I just tried to submit this morning. Apparently, the prices increased overnight. $25.00 a card is now the cheapest option.

Just like cards, I'm now also priced out of having cards graded! Back to the basics - enjoying raw cards!
What?!? Ugh. I was just planning a large sub 2 days ago. There goes that idea. I thought the PSA price increase was a great business opportunity for SGC. IMO, disappearing the $15 grading option was a bad move. That may work out for them short-term, but the chance to secure a large chunk of the grading business, perhaps for the long term, would seem to have been lost. SGC just can't seem to get out of their own way.

The real winner here may very well be CSG. If they can get their slab for vintage figured out, I'm in.
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I saw this too, that SGC raised their prices, if they leave them alone, probably would have seen a huge bump in subs, but now, I doubt it. I'm still very interested in CSG.
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I think their plan might be to to increase the normal price and reintroduce the membership and bulk sub deal
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:18 AM
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I think their plan might be to to increase the normal price and reintroduce the membership and bulk sub deal
If that's the case, they should have announced all of the changes at once. This is clearly a reactionary move to PSA's announcement. It's what 2nd rate companies seem to always do, across all industries. Market leaders are leaders because they show initiative and pave their own path forward.
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Smart move on raising prices as disappointing as it is.

They finally got back to a reasonable turn around time and if they kept their prices that much lower would probably have been back logged 2 to 4 months very quickly.

This way hopefully they can keep turn around reasonable. Hopefully.

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Old 03-05-2021, 11:31 AM
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they just changed prices, literally last night.
Wow, I'm glad I did my newest submission last night then.
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