Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[pokerplyr80]

Someone should examine these altered cards to determine if the alteration left anything behind that is detectable. If it is, we as a hobby should force PSA to answer why they aren't using this detection method.

A measurement of the trimmed cards should suffice. If cards that don't measure have been graded, we also deserve an answer as to how that is happening.

I have no idea what percentage of the hobby is on blowout and here, but if everyone agreed not to submit until we get some answers it may force the issue.

I find it ironic how worked up some are in this thread and yet some of those commenting are putting together a PSA group submission on the main page of the site.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Someone should examine these altered cards to determine if the alteration left anything behind that is detectable. If it is, we as a hobby should force PSA to answer why they aren't using this detection method.

A measurement of the trimmed cards should suffice. If cards that don't measure have been graded, we also deserve an answer as to how that is happening.

I have no idea what percentage of the hobby is on blowout and here, but if everyone agreed not to submit until we get some answers it may force the issue.

I find it ironic how worked up some are in this thread and yet some of those commenting are putting together a PSA group submission on the main page of the site.

As I posted size is not always indicative, but yeah some of those cards posted on Blowout really do look short, especially some of the Look N' Sees.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I posted size is not always indicative, but yeah some of those cards posted on Blowout really do look short, especially some of the Look N' Sees.

I do realize there are measurement irregularities of vintage cards from the factory. But it wouldn't hurt to measure the vintage cards. And for the modern cards it should be pretty clear. If cards were graded that didnt measure correctly an investigation should be started.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I do realize there are measurement irregularities of vintage cards from the factory. But it wouldn't hurt to measure the vintage cards. And for the modern cards it should be pretty clear. If cards were graded that didnt measure correctly an investigation should be started.

I have personally seen numerous examples of cards in slabs that were noticeably short and not, IMO, "natural" shorts. There is no doubt IMO that they miss obvious trimming sometimes.

[ullmandds]

I find it ironic how worked up some are in this thread and yet some of those commenting are putting together a PSA group submission on the main page of the site.[/QUOTE]

Right!!!! Wtf??? You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink !

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I find it ironic how worked up some are in this thread and yet some of those commenting are putting together a PSA group submission on the main page of the site.

Right!!!! Wtf??? You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink ![/QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the PSA group sub was in progress BEFORE all this shit went down. And also, I am not trimming my low grade cards. So I am not supposed to ever get cards graded because of the shennigans of others???

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Right!!!! Wtf??? You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink !

Correct me if I am wrong, but the PSA group sub was in progress BEFORE all this shit went down. And also, I am not trimming my low grade cards. So I am not supposed to ever get cards graded because of the shennigans of others???[/QUOTE]

Umm... if the shenanigans are something that involves the grading company, and it looks more and more like they are involved, why would you want to
A) Give someone complicit in giving grades and thus approval as totally genuine to altered cards any business
B)Given that your stuff is fine, pay for the opinion of a company whose opinions are becoming more discredited daily.

May just as well bring back GAI, accucard, whoever that guy was who was pop riveting pictures cut from books into screwdowns…

[steve B]

Also, I've noticed more and more that the quoting on the board has gotten weird.

[Buythatcard]

One good thing that I noticed tonight.

When I go check prices on VCP, there is no longer an ad for PWCC. I think as recent as yesterday, whenever I accidently clicked on the right or left side of the screen, it would take me to the PWCC's site. It no longer happens today. Yaay.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by steve B

Correct me if I am wrong, but the PSA group sub was in progress BEFORE all this shit went down. And also, I am not trimming my low grade cards. So I am not supposed to ever get cards graded because of the shennigans of others???

Umm... if the shenanigans are something that involves the grading company, and it looks more and more like they are involved, why would you want to
A) Give someone complicit in giving grades and thus approval as totally genuine to altered cards any business
B)Given that your stuff is fine, pay for the opinion of a company whose opinions are becoming more discredited daily.

May just as well bring back GAI, accucard, whoever that guy was who was pop riveting pictures cut from books into screwdowns… [/QUOTE]


Maybe everyone should just quit the hobby then. According to you, the whole thing is corrupt anyway. Let's everyone just leave.

[x2drich2000]

Maybe I have missed it, but have any other auction houses come out publicly and either confirmed they have not taken any consignments from Moser or admitted that they have taken consignments from him?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Maybe I have missed it, but have any other auction houses come out publicly and either confirmed they have not taken any consignments from Moser or admitted that they have taken consignments from him?

AHs are not going to confirm they have taken cards from known card doctors, of which there are many. IMO very few could deny it truthfully.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Maybe everyone should just quit the hobby then. According to you, the whole thing is corrupt anyway. Let's everyone just leave.

The hobby was around for a long time before grading. And will be around a long time after it.

I still don't understand giving more business to a company that from what I can see is either grossly incompetent. Or is involved in deliberately allowing altered cards to be graded.

But hey, it's PSA! They're the experts and final arbiters of all things cards. How dare we question them....

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by steve B

The hobby was around for a long time before grading. And will be around a long time after it.

I still don't understand giving more business to a company that from what I can see is either grossly incompetent. Or is involved in deliberately allowing altered cards to be graded.

But hey, it's PSA! They're the experts and final arbiters of all things cards. How dare we question them....

Not questioning them. But like I stated earlier, am I supposed to quit going to my gym because a few of the members there take steroids??? I know I DO NOT cheat. It's called ETHICS. It sounds like a few members need a class in it.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Someone should examine these altered cards to determine if the alteration left anything behind that is detectable. If it is, we as a hobby should force PSA to answer why they aren't using this detection method.

Working eyeballs.

[Bram99]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

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I have no idea what percentage of the hobby is on blowout and here, but if everyone agreed not to submit until we get some answers it may force the issue.

If everyone agreed not to submit PSA could get caught up and back within their promise dates...