PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Making the card disappear isnt necessary, or even warranted, imo. Getting it into the proper holder (A) seems more appropriate. Evan likes to say Id have bought the card regardless of whether it had been altered or not. What Evan failed to mention is I dont own ANY other holder than PSA and none other than graded cards. I dont buy altered, raw or anything in the neighborhood.....unless, im otherwise misled (lied to) and find out the hard way that it was manipulated and slipped past PSA. I fault PSA zero in this case.....I fault a thief and a liar 100%. There again, only Brent and I can dispute this claim. Where is he these days? Im not hearing a claim from the cats mouth.

Courtney, for the record, PSA reviews PHYSICAL alternations, not chemical. Card's been trimmed, they note it; Card has been restored via chemical/water alteration, they don't give a shit.

Now it's been "disclosed" to you, and every vintage buyer reading this thread, when you buy/shill your next $100K card in a PSA Holder, it's possible that card has been chemically altered.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but for goodness sakes, don't rely on the Auction House to give you that information. Most of them don't even disclose the bidders for dang sake.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

PSA reviews PHYSICAL alternations, not chemical. Card's been trimmed, they note it; Card has been restored via chemical/water alteration, they don't give a shit.

What are trying to do, start another 400 post thread?!

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Courtney, for the record, PSA reviews PHYSICAL alternations, not chemical. Card's been trimmed, they note it; Card has been restored via chemical/water alteration, they don't give a shit.

Now it's been "disclosed" to you, and every vintage buyer reading this thread, when you buy/shill your next $100K card in a PSA Holder, it's possible that card has been chemically altered.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but for goodness sakes, don't rely on the Auction House to give you that information. Most of them don't even disclose the bidders for dang sake.

Read ALL my posts, not simply the most recent one. Everything you just said has been discussed over the last 8 hrs.

And when accusing about shill bidding, have facts ready. I have all my facts. You, my $20 collector friend, obviously do not.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

I have all my facts. You, my $20 collector friend, obviously do not.

You know what dude. You had me until this post.

Your comment shows what a dipsh*t douche you must be. Playing the "I spend more money than you so my credibility is higher, and my opinion is right." card. What a loser... comments like this by losers like you make my stomach turn.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

You know what dude. You had me until this post.

Your comment shows what a dipsh*t douche you must be. Playing the "I spend more money than you so my credibility is higher, and my opinion is right." card. What a loser... comments like this by losers like you make my stomach turn.

My Canadian friend I thought I'd share this:

"You can't be great if you're not rich, I'm sorry, but it's true"

-an unnamed American President

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

My Canadian friend I thought I'd share this:

"You can't be great if you're not rich, I'm sorry, but it's true"

-an unnamed American President

Sounds like something Obama would say ...

[Whodunit]

Can somebody get Brent or Betsy to try and refute the 2 images I posted refuting her remarks about their shill bid policy and my "very large unpaid debt". Or is he trying to figure out a response for why he wouldnt/wont send a 60k invoice when i clearly asked for one quite a while ago.......weeks. Or, would yall like the rest of those messages?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Can somebody get Brent or Betsy to try and refute the 2 images I posted refuting her remarks about their shill bid policy and my "very large unpaid debt". Or is he trying to figure out a response for why he wouldnt/wont send a 60k invoice when i clearly asked for one quite a while ago.......weeks. Or, would yall like the rest of those messages?

Do not stop now. Open up the flood gates my man. This is a serious story with serious facts about something that has been brewing for a LONG time.

Show us the light.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Fyi

Wow!

That's an eye opener!

I knew this stuff went on in the hobby, but I never expected PWCC to be participating.

Naive, I guess?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Why he not sell the 75k card on pwcc and shill it to more than the 50k (what he got at the other auction house) since he has so much control.....

[irv]

Originally Posted by botn

Post #412's screen capture pretty much demonstrates there is no truth to this policy of PWCC's:
Auction Integrity
No Shill

The integrity of bidding on our auctions is our highest priority. The sportscard hobby hinges on the honesty and integrity of the seller, and collectors deserve a bidding environment that is 100% legitimate and uninfluenced by manipulation such as fraudulent bidding by the auction house, consignors, friends of consignors, friends of the auction house, or anyone else who participates insincerely with the sole intention of manipulating the sale price.

I know this thread is about the WWG Joe D but that text Cortney posted is incredibly damaging to Brent...think someone posted the other day in support of Brent, stating to keep doing what he is doing. Post may have been a bit premature.

No kidding!

I never had an issue dealing with PWCC, and like I mentioned above, I thought they were above board, but it's clear to see now, I drank way too much of the Kool-Aid.

[Whodunit]

She (betsy/brent) started another thread. There's several in that one too. I can barely figure out how to do a screenshot attachment; work with me as i learn to blow this stuff up and show more than a few lines at a time. Betsy/Brent obviously didnt think I kept these things for times like this. Ill take a few insults, but lie to me or about me (large unpaid debt....that he refuses to accept or bill) and im gonna unleash the beast. Little thing called integrity and pride.

As for whoever asked for the whole conversation, please teach me how to upload the entire file, and ill oblige.......but, im not sure this web page has the capabilities of uploading a file that large......which is why i chose 3 arguments....1) refuting the anti shill bid policy with direct text from brent, 2) refuting the debt with a shot of my actively asking for invoices, and 3).......whatever that one was. Lol.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

You, my $20 collector friend, obviously do not.

^

This is exactly the way to alienate pretty much everyone.

I have nothing against collectors who can or will spend freely. A twinge of jealousy as you'd expect, but overall more of a "Hats off to you, both for making the sort of choices that led you to such prosperity and for having enough dedication to a hobby to create a really great collection" attitude.

Unless you use that to put down other collectors and project the attitude that you're better than them simply because you have money. Then you're just being a _ (fill in blank with whatever seems appropriate)

Steve B