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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: Joe Drouillard
Hello Everyone, |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: Larry
Not sure about the pitches per inning statement, but overall, pitchers in the old days went a lot longer into a game on average. Sometimes even pitching both games of a doubleheader and less days between starts. They were ironmen |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: dennis
now the umpires have a small strike zone and any one can hit it out of the park,makes pitching a little tougher than even 15-20 years ago. all the factors favor the hitter.smaller strike zone,smaller parks,body armor for batters,lighter bats,bigger players,tighter wound balls,parks in the west where the ball travels farther,umpire warnings if a batter is hit or god forbid is pitched inside!no wonder pitchers are afraid to challenge batters so they feel they have to be perfect with their pitches. plus they are pampered in the minors(when was the last time a minor league pitcher won 20 games) and managers are afraid of being blamed for blowing out the staffs arms.i think this started with billy martin in the late70's early 80's in oakland.back then they did not count pitches and games were played much quicker.imo they probably do throw more pitches per inning now than at any time in baseball history. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: jay behrens
A lot of it has to do with how hard pitchers throw today. It was a rare pitcher that threw 90+mph on a consistent basis. Nowadays, it's almost impossible to get to the majors without throwing 90+ all the time. This puts a lot of extra strain on the arm. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: davidcycleback
The new absolute pitch count in Little League helps teach kids to be better pitchers. For the kid on a pitch count, getting a second pitch ground out is better than a five pitch strikeout. Getting a ground out double means you can pitch later into the game. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: Larry
Joe, I found this article interesting: |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: Joe Drouillard
Thanks all for your observations. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: Justin
This is a great article I just read that compares the pitch counts of the Dodgers from 1947-64 with those of the modern day NL: |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: Fred C
Jay, that makes a lot of sense. There were a few freaks of nature... Nolan Ryan comes to mind. Remember, he walked over 200 batters in a few years and he also had a ton of Ks to go with it... that's a lot of pitches, but then again the Express wasn't an ordinary pitcher. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: D. C. Markel
Arguably the greatest pitching duel occurred on July 2, 1963 when Juan Marichal beat Warren Spahn, 1-0 in 16 innings. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: David Goff
I would have to agree with what Jay stated..how pitchers today probably throw harder than before. I found 2 good articles that may help with this topic |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: aro13
Jay - Just to clarify. The American Miler is Alan Webb. He was setting American records in high school. He had a few bad years after high school before regaining his form. Not certain if that was the best analogy to use. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: jay behrens
If Webb was a high school phenom, then he is the exception. I have always been a huge fan of track and used to watch it as much or more than baseball. Being a great high school distance runner has never translated into being a world class runner later. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: jay behrens
WEbb failed miserably in the finals. He lead the race from the start until about the last 50 meters and got passed by almost everyone on the stretch. An American named Lagat did win the event, but even that is a technicality in that the guy is Kenyan and only became a US citizen recently. |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: Jim VB
I respect your thoughts on Baseball cards, but you are wrong about track. There has never been a 16 year old who has run under 4 minutes in the mile. It's only happened 4 times and three of those times were in the 1960's. This is the all time list: |
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How many pitches did the old-timers throw per game?
Posted By: jay behrens
True, 16 was a bit of stretch, but I came from a high school when I was a junior that had 2 guys running sub 4:15 in the mile and they weren't even the top milers in the state. None of them went on to even decent college careers as runnings. |
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