Why Do TPGs Perpetuate This Falsehood?

[Leon]

I still don't, after many years, understand why PSA and SGC both continually put "hand cut' on the flips of W575-1s? They were not, and never were, distributed as strips or hand cut. And if they are hand cut then they are trimmed. Just a peeve....
Maybe they put that with all W cards. And if that is the case then they are just stupid.

[Frankish]

That is really annoying. Once these companies get a bit of institutional knowledge it is really hard to change, even if that bit can be proven wrong.

[rjackson44]

Unreal

[Leon]

I have mentioned this before but to see it still going on just irritates me.
When I sent the complete pack of 20 in to be graded, with the pack they came in, I felt for sure they wouldn't put hand cut on them as they definitely aren't. When I put these all together they were cut almost 100% the same size.
I wasn't happy at all with their mistake..

[kmac32]

Or how about calling all Koester Bread cards w571-1 cards?

[Frankish]

Wow. That is really crazy.

I wonder (and this doesn't excuse the decision, just trying to figure out what's going on) if they are suggesting that the issue was hand-cut at the factory (as opposed to machine cut). That seems awfully thin, though.

It reminds me of an issue I often have with the TPGs regarding Japanese tobacco-style menko cards. For many series, the cards were generally issued precut from the factory. But then in each pack were certain "prize cards" with a stamp on the back that entitled the bearer to also get an uncut sheet (ranging from four to sixteen or more cards). Of course, many kids cut up their sheets to have all of the individual cards. But the TPGs insist (willy-nilly? randomly?) some days on simply marking all of the cards as hand-cut, not just those from the prize sheets. Some days they don't. I can find no rhyme nor reason. Anyway, it is different than the W575-1s, which seems cut and dry to me. But it is still annoying....


PS: They also grade all of the prize cards (which contain a stamp from the issuer on the back) as MK. In a sense, they are marked and that makes sense, although it seems there should be some distinction between these factory issued stamps and generally marking like doodling in pen on the back of the card....

[drcy]

Get with the times. Hand cut is modern young people's slang for not hand cut.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Leon

I still don't, after many years, understand why PSA and SGC both continually put "hand cut' on the flips of W575-1s? They were not, and never were, distributed as strips or hand cut. And if they are hand cut then they are trimmed. Just a peeve....
Maybe they put that with all W cards. And if that is the case then they are just stupid.

Leon has a valid point with his card examples, but I would also point out that there are 'W575-1' cards out there that have been hand cut. I believe that the cards were issued in strip form as well, and have provided some examples that definitely point to that conclusion. The Danforth and Gowdy appear similar to the quality and look of W501 cards. Unfortunately TPG companies like to lump everything into a bucket and cling onto old designations.

Brian

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Leon has a valid point with his card examples, but I would also point out that there are 'W575-1' cards out there that have been hand cut. I believe that the cards were issued in strip form as well, and have provided some examples that definitely point to that conclusion. The Danforth and Gowdy appear similar to the quality and look of W501 cards. Unfortunately TPG companies like to lump everything into a bucket and cling onto old designations.

Brian

Brian, I believe that your Danforth and Gowdy cards ARE in fact W501 cards - that is, W501-Type 2 cards in that they don't have "G-4-22" in the upper left corner and a card # in the upper right corner. Below is the portion of Rhett Yeakley's fantastic 2011 Old Cardboard article that describes the two types of W501 cards plus pics of my W501-Type 1 and W501-Type 2 cards of WaJo and Sam Rice.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Leon

I still don't, after many years, understand why PSA and SGC both continually put "hand cut' on the flips of W575-1s?...

And if that is the case then they are just stupid.

I think it's a combination of stupid and the fact that after they get your money, they don't really care.

Doug