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[Roland 49]

Pre- Aguilitas Serie Artistica, José María Fernández

[Roland 49]

Chocolate Baguer, Album 1930

[Schlesinj]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Pre- Aguilitas Serie Artistica, José María Fernández

Hi Roland, what page of your book is this issue listed? Why is it call “pre”? I assume Segunda means 2nd. Is pre the 1926-27 version.

[Roland 49]

I named the Aguilitas cards that I showed Pre Aguilitas, because those cards were brought in the cigarette boxes months before the numbered series came out, as an advertisement for the collection of 900 cards on different themes that was going to be released. Notice that on the back it gives an explanation of the themes and the numbering, those pre Aguilitas are super rare, I have had few in my collection, in Volume 1 of my Specialized Catalog I put an example on one of the pages of the Aguilitas Artistic Series 1926-27, photos.

[Roland 49]

Caramelos Stadium, Ben Wade, two card, Almendares team

[Roland 49]

Caramelos Stadium, Héctor Rodríguez, two diferent card, Almendares

[Roland 49]

Caramelos Stadium, Adolfo Luque, two card

[Roland 49]

Caramelos Stadium, Orestes Miñoso two cards

[Roland 49]

December 29, 1878, the first official game in Cuba between Havana and Almendares in the first Baseball championship, that day, December 29 in 1940, was declared "Baseball Day" from that date the exaltations were made to the HALL of Fame, I show photos of inductions at the Cerro Stadium, in one of them we see Mike González and Merito Acosta, on the day of the ceremony when they were inducted, and another from previous years.

[Roland 49]

Press announcement on December 29, 1878, announcing the beginning of the official game of the 1st Baseball Championship held in Cuba, the 1st game was between Havana and Almendares, on the grounds of Tulipán Street, that day the history of the Championships began in Cuba (photo 1) December 29, 2018, Parque de Tulipán, a group of baseball lovers, commemorating another anniversary of the historic 1878 game, in the same place, I am in that group, (photo2)

[Roland 49]

Today marks the anniversary 1929 of the 3 homeruns that James Cool Papa Bell of the Cienfuegos team hit in a game, which was the first in the history of Cuban Baseball with that characteristic, their rival was Habana, the 1st against Oscar Levis, the 2nd against Cliff (Tinkerbell) Bell and the 3rd to Martin Dihigo.

[Roland 49]

Happy New Year to everyone, I make my posts in this thread with the interest that you know about Cuban baseball, but I don't know if any of you like it, I don't know who sees what I post, very few have commented, sometimes I think that They have no interest in my thread, however I publish on Facebook for more than 20 baseball groups, also chess, photos of Cuba, etc., and at home one of my publications, many mark that they like it, ask me questions and suggestions , they ask me to publish on various topics, and in this thread I don't see that type of reaction, but I see that in other threads when someone publishes something, there are immediately several who comment, my question is: do I continue or not?

[John1941]

I enjoy your posts.

I don't have much to say about them as I have only very rough knowledge of Cuban baseball & baseball cards - I have nothing to contribute in response. But I find your posts interesting & educational because of that - they're small doses of learning & often just very cool.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by John1941

I enjoy your posts.

I don't have much to say about them as I have only very rough knowledge of Cuban baseball & baseball cards - I have nothing to contribute in response. But I find your posts interesting & educational because of that - they're small doses of learning & often just very cool.

Plus 1 to what John just said. Roland, even though the only Cuban cards I look for and have in my collection are 1924 Diaz Cigs cards of Washington players, I hope you will continue posting.

[BioCRN]

On the page before this one in the thread I asked about who 1930 Baguer Chocolate "Mitchel Blake" was because it's bugged me for a long time.

On this page you put up the first image of the Bauger album picture in good enough resolution that I could read it.

At this point I'm pretty sure "Mitchel Blake" is actually lefty pitcher "Clarence Mitchell."

This may have been figured out in the past, but I've never been able to find an answer. I don't know if anyone was even looking.

This thread has been a resource for me and I'm sure it's been for others. It will probably provide answers far into the future as long as the site is here.

Thanks.

[GeoPoto]

Val, are you saying you don't have one of these?

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[Schlesinj]

One of my favorite threads here.

Also, I can see a resemblance to the photos/cards for Mitchel Blake. Nice.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

Val, are you saying you don't have one of these?

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George, thanks for jogging my pathetic memory. Yes, I do have a Baguer Chocolate card of Sam Rice, although it's not as nice as your great example. I also have Baguers of WaJo, Lance Richbourg, and Tom Zachary. I'm still looking for Baguers of these 1924 Senators: Goose Goslin, Bucky Harris, Fred Marberry, and Muddy Ruel.

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Happy New Year to everyone, I make my posts in this thread with the interest that you know about Cuban baseball, but I don't know if any of you like it, I don't know who sees what I post, very few have commented, sometimes I think that They have no interest in my thread, however I publish on Facebook for more than 20 baseball groups, also chess, photos of Cuba, etc., and at home one of my publications, many mark that they like it, ask me questions and suggestions , they ask me to publish on various topics, and in this thread I don't see that type of reaction, but I see that in other threads when someone publishes something, there are immediately several who comment, my question is: do I continue or not?

Happy New Year! I certainly enjoy your posts and read them every time I see them. I don’t usually have much to add but definitely want you to continue. I love Cuban cards. Definitely quite a few on my wishlist.

Thanks
Chad

[Roland 49]

Mlb Tony Oliva today, January 10, 2024, at the Stadium del Cerro in an official semifinal game between the Industriales and Artemisa teams, he threw the 1st ball, he felt very happy, in the interview he told anecdotes about his Minnesota Twins team, I show some photos on the field: warming up his arm, after throwing the 1st ball, pointing with his Strike arm, and with fans at his side

[Exhibitman]

Please do post more; I really enjoy it. I am another of the guys with rudimentary knowledge of Cuban baseball cards; I know a lot more about the boxing side of it.

[nancyfisher543]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Please do post more; I really enjoy it. I am another of the guys with rudimentary knowledge of Cuban baseball cards; I know a lot more about the boxing side of it.

Good

[Roland 49]

Days ago, some of you told me to continue publishing about Cuban baseball in this thread, and I sincerely thank you and I keep in mind the names of those who did it, for me it is a satisfaction that you let me know that you like what I publish, too Some commented on the Baguer 1930 cards, and for me it is good that they comment, I also appreciate it, they showed Sam Rice's card, now I show you the one I have in my album, a photo taken by me with other players, please Keep commenting on my thread and asking me questions, thanks to those who read what I post.

[Leon]

This is from my last collection, so I don't own it any longer, but it goes with the theme so....

[Exhibitman]

Baguer:

[Roland 49]

Leon, that album you show, I had one about 30 years ago, it's very rare. Adams, I don't think I've seen those Baguer boxing cards, they're also rare. Now I show some cards in my Baguer 1930 album.

[Roland 49]

Tomas Gutiérrez collection, umpires and banders

[ElCabron]

Rolando!!! Have you been able to look that the 1924-34 Billiken set in my latest auction? You’ll recognize a lot of those cards as many came from you over the years.

[Roland 49]

Ryan, I have not seen your auction, I do not remember the name of your site, if you can show it here, to enter and see, you say that there are some cards that were mine, I think so because the times you visited me at my house you got Cuban cards from the best, greetings to you my friend.

[rjackson44]

I own some Cuban cards ,,born in cuba.thank you Roland for this masterpiece of a thread gracias octavio

[EddieP]

This is from the Smithsonian online (The online article also provides a link to the Smithsonian’s complete album.)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs...elo-deportivo/





“In his book A House of Cards: Baseball Card Collecting and Popular Culture, John Bloom states that baseball cards are “all at once, commercial artifacts, forms of visual media, advertising mechanisms, popular art, and objects of exchange.” This is certainly true of the cards in Caramelo Deportivo, a beautiful album of baseball cards featuring 100 players from the 1945–46 Cuban professional winter league. Baseball fans could purchase the album, distributed by the Cuban candy manufacturer Felices, for five cents and collect 99 of the cards to paste into the album. The last card, #73, was issued to collectors only after they had acquired the rest of the set.

Baseball card collecting has long been one of the most popular ways fans have engaged with the sport. Some relish the excitement of seeking out their favorite players, and others enjoy the satisfaction of collecting a complete set. Either way, baseball card collections serve as fan-made archives of baseball history, commemorating players through the eyes of fans rather than solely celebrating their accolades and achievements.

Caramelo Deportivo features some of the most prominent players of the day, including World Series Champion Lou Kline, Negro League star pitcher and Hall of Fame inductee Raymond Brown, and Cuban legend Martín Dihigo. In the pages of the album, the color line that segregated baseball in the United States is blurred; players from Latin American Leagues, the Negro Leagues, and Major League Baseball appear alongside each other, just as they did while playing in the Cuban winter league. For Major League Baseball, this vision of the game was not possible until Jackie Robinson broke the color line in 1947, but the Caramelo Deportivo album reflected the realities of baseball in Cuba and elsewhere in Latin America, where players from different sides of the color line could play together.”

The album also features several Cubans who made a significant impact on baseball in the United States. Orestes “Minnie” Miñoso was a key figure in the generation that bridged baseball from segregation to integration. From 1946 to 1948, he played in the Negro Leagues with the New York Cubans, and in 1949 Miñoso debuted as the first Afro-Latino player in the majors, just as the color line was dissolving. One of the other players spotlighted in the Caramelo Deportivo collection is Negro League star pitcher Luis Tiant Sr., Miñoso’s teammate and father of All-Star Luis Tiant Jr.”

Baseball fans collect as a way to engage with the game and memorialize their favorite players. Collecting is both participatory and creative, in that it allows fans to interact with players and with each other while at the same time generating a tangible archive of the sport.”

[EddieP]

Oye, Roland, gracias por este thread tan interesante!

[GeoPoto]

Raymond E. "Ray" Dandridge. "Hooks". "Squat". Third baseman in baseball's Negro leagues. 1987 inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. His career batting average in the Negro leagues was .355 while playing for four teams during 1933-1944. He was a 3-time All-Star. He also played in the Mexican League from 1940-1948. Turned down 1947 invitation from Bill Veeck to play in the Cleveland organization, which might have given him a chance to play in MLB. Viewed as one of best fielding 3B in baseball history. He finished his career playing in the American Association (Triple-A minor league), where he was Rookie of the Year in 1949 and MVP in 1950. His last season as a player was 1955.

[Roland 49]

Eddie, the publication you sent about Smith, from the
Caramelos Felices collection 1845-46, is very good. I didn't know about it, but I don't agree with what it says: that when you completed the 99 cards, they gave you the one from Napoleon Reyes #73. , and that was not the case. Few of the Napoleon Reyes postcards were printed, and it was the Prize card. They were printed with different types of stamps and without a stamp, but the Prize postcard had a quadrangular stamp, with the address of the factory and the signature of the manager, that It was the prize postcard, others with stamps that said: Only for collection without prize, others: only for collection, the stamps in black or dark blue, all of the ones I mentioned were very rare because very few were printed, which is why most of them The albums have 99 cards, I have had around 40 Happy albums in almost 40 years as a collector and of those only 5 have been with the 100 cards, I show from my specialized catalog cards #73 of Napoleón Reyes

[Roland 49]

Ryan, I found the auction after it was over, as you say, it is true that many of the Billiken postcards from the complete set that you sold were mine, the high sale price is incredible, I have had two complete sets, and three sets missing 3 or 4 cards , and many loose ones, those were other times, I sold them very cheap, sometimes for $20 apiece. Here are photos of some of the best ones.

[Roland 49]

Billiken cards 1923, Matanzas and Piratas teams, rare

[Roland 49]

El Baseball en Cuba y América 1908, Christy Mathewson. EL libro Azul 1948-49, Ted Williams

[ElCabron]

Rolando,

Where were all the $20 Billikens when I was coming to visit you???

-Ryan

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Ryan, I found the auction after it was over, as you say, it is true that many of the Billiken postcards from the complete set that you sold were mine, the high sale price is incredible, I have had two complete sets, and three sets missing 3 or 4 cards , and many loose ones, those were other times, I sold them very cheap, sometimes for $20 apiece. Here are photos of some of the best ones.

[Roland 49]

Ryan, on your trips to Cuba you went to my house several times, and you got very good cards, the Tomás Gutiérrez collection and others, and you paid well, but since the 80s, I sold a lot and very cheap, I had no knowledge of prices, postcards Cabañas 1909 for $5, Aguilitas, I sold my friend Rucker a repeated collection of Billiken for around $4,500, etc., I had 3 Méndez repeats in perfect condition and two of them I exchanged for amateur postcards that I didn't have, all due to lack of information, and many Billiken postcards for $20, including the best ones, I had 2 complete Billiken collections and 3 with between 3 and 4 cards missing, those were different times, nowadays almost nothing appears, I am sure that the postcards I sold before I met you were to you and also to the one who sold the Billiken collection on your site, I am sure who he is, he is a great collector from your city, greetings my friend.

[Leon]

wow Roland....

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Ryan, on your trips to Cuba you went to my house several times, and you got very good cards, the Tomás Gutiérrez collection and others, and you paid well, but since the 80s, I sold a lot and very cheap, I had no knowledge of prices, postcards Cabañas 1909 for $5, Aguilitas, I sold my friend Rucker a repeated collection of Billiken for around $4,500, etc., I had 3 Méndez repeats in perfect condition and two of them I exchanged for amateur postcards that I didn't have, all due to lack of information, and many Billiken postcards for $20, including the best ones, I had 2 complete Billiken collections and 3 with between 3 and 4 cards missing, those were different times, nowadays almost nothing appears, I am sure that the postcards I sold before I met you were to you and also to the one who sold the Billiken collection on your site, I am sure who he is, he is a great collector from your city, greetings my friend.

[Roland 49]

Tomás Gutiérrez 1923-24, scan

[Schlesinj]

1908/1909 Almendares Team with an early (possibly first) photo of Jose Mendez.

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[Roland 49]

That photo of the Almendares 1909 team, where Méndez is seen shaking hands with his Catcher Gervasio González, you are right, it is one of the first known to Méndez, that photo you show was mine, but they fixed it on the computer, and they erased some defects Now you will see that same photo scanned by me in 2006, I had to reduce its size by more than 60% because in net 54, if it is larger it will not accept them.

[Schlesinj]

Thank you for the confirmation.

[Roland 49]

Pelayo Chacon, José Méndez, Armando Cabañas 1912 Cubans Stars

[Roland 49]

March 13, 1895, anniversary of the birth of Alejandro Oms, one of the best players in the Cuban League, and also in the Black Ligras. I show a photo of the time he was part of the Santa Clara team with Oscar Charleston, and some cards.

[Roland 49]

Billiken 1928 Cincinnati, these are perhaps the rarest of all, some are known, I show the page of my specialized catalog, a photo of Zittmann, which shows an advertisement that says: for the Billiken 1928 collection, in blue letters, I would like you to Those of you who read my posts, show the cards you have from this rare series in front and back photos

[Roland 49]

THE BEST CUBAN PLAYER IN THE 19TH CENTURY, ANTONIO MARÍA GARCÍA (EL INGLÉS) Antonio Maria García Callaghan was born in Havana on July 29, 1869. His parents were José Manuel García, a Spaniard, and Margaret Callaghan from Ireland. They met and married in Havana. The Englishman played baseball in 18 seasons and played all positions, including three years as Pitcher, but he was one of the best Catcher of that time, leader in batting in 5 seasons, 9 times with more than .300 and two with more than 400, he played in the United States Negro Leagues with the Cuban Stars, in 1889 John McGraw proposed a contract to play in the Major Leagues, which was rejected by the English, in 1939 when the Cuban Hall of Fame was created. He was exalted among the 10 of the first group, I show some photos of one of the greats of Cuban Baseball of all time,

[John1941]

Very interesting! I had not heard of him before.

[aljurgela]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Ryan, I found the auction after it was over, as you say, it is true that many of the Billiken postcards from the complete set that you sold were mine, the high sale price is incredible, I have had two complete sets, and three sets missing 3 or 4 cards , and many loose ones, those were other times, I sold them very cheap, sometimes for $20 apiece. Here are photos of some of the best ones.

Incredible el grupo de Billikens que tenias Rolando.... wow....