Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83

Unlikely. I believe it is partof their slow demise.

I don’t believe they will be in business 10 years from now.

You are sort of doomed when buyers and dealers won’t touch a card that they have graded.

The prices reflect that and people do not want to flip them to take losses.

People won't touch SGC cards? Good to know. Though clearly I've been hallucinating looking at recent auctions.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1952_T...-LOT62449.aspx

[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

People won't touch SGC cards? Good to know. Though clearly I've been hallucinating looking at recent auctions.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1952_T...-LOT62449.aspx

Correct. You must be if you think one or two prices is reflective of a larger sentiment. When you try to sell a card and dealers tell you without looking at it or caring what card it is that they “do not buy sgc cards” thats a big deal.

You also cited a high grade blue chip card to make your singular point. Well played.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83

When you try to sell a card and dealers tell you without looking at it or caring what card it is that they “do not buy sgc cards”

Please raise your hand if you're a dealer who "does not buy SGC cards"

[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by edhans

Please raise your hand if you're a dealer who "does not buy SGC cards"

There are lots and even more collectors, which is partly lots of dealers will not. List two identical cards on Ebay at the same price and see which one garners interest and which gets none, meaning zero interest at all.

Just like there are dealers who wont touch grade A, OC, MK, half grades or cards with paper loss.

There is high price cobb for sale and it has been treated like the black plague for a year, dealers and collectors alike, but those I have talked to say 3 years.

As far as attempting to debunk my comments, I do encourage you at the next shows you go to observe what dealers only have PSA cards in their cases and ask them. That is where you will find the answer to your question.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83

That is where you will find the answer to your question.

I didn't pose a question. I've been setting up at shows, including the National for 25 years. I've never heard any dealer decline to purchase a card just because it's in an SGC holder. Undoubtedly many prefer PSA and may even sell only PSA cards, but no rational vendor would walk away from a purchase on which he could make a profit, regardless of the holder.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

I would not be surprised if that entrant was PWCC, with the way they have been expanding their presence and offerings.

FWIW

That idea is certainly worthy of attention.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by edhans

I didn't pose a question. I've been setting up at shows, including the National for 25 years. I've never heard any dealer decline to purchase a card just because it's in an SGC holder. Undoubtedly many prefer PSA and may even sell only PSA cards, but no rational vendor would walk away from a purchase on which he could make a profit, regardless of the holder.

In most cases it is fair to say their buy price certainly isn't equal.

The last SGC card I bought I paid $56 for and the same grade for the card in a PSA holder would sell for at least $350 or higher. The spread is extremely wide in many cases so coming up with a number that works would be very tough.

PSA is just drastically more popular for most cards.

[Leon]

Gone... until registration is verified. Generic voice mail not left and PM sent with no response.
Two in one thread, it might be a record. We will see. I hope I come back and say this person verified registration. I am not going to hold my breath though.

Originally Posted by MichelaiTorres83

There are lots and even more collectors, which is partly lots of dealers will not. List two identical cards on Ebay at the same price and see which one garners interest and which gets none, meaning zero interest at all.

Just like there are dealers who wont touch grade A, OC, MK, half grades or cards with paper loss.

There is high price cobb for sale and it has been treated like the black plague for a year, dealers and collectors alike, but those I have talked to say 3 years.

As far as attempting to debunk my comments, I do encourage you at the next shows you go to observe what dealers only have PSA cards in their cases and ask them. That is where you will find the answer to your question.

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[Rare Stuff]

Any news on the forger? Peter Nash? Manny? Have any more forgeries been found? Can’t let this guy get away with it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rare Stuff

Any news on the forger? Peter Nash? Manny? Have any more forgeries been found? Can’t let this guy get away with it.

Thanks for the quick chat on the phone. Sounds like you have been around a good while.
The updates are . I think the investigation is still ongoing, from a reliable source in the last few days......No idea on Peter Nash but one can only hope he changes his ways. Manny, the OP, has never wanted to verify who he is so he is still gone.
And another member also bit the dust due to registration issues, MichelaTorres83
Yes, I think we all hope the forger is caught.

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[egri]

Originally Posted by Leon

Gone... until registration is verified. Generic voice mail not left and PM sent with no response.
Two in one thread, it might be a record.

I haven’t heard any news either (other than the forger doesn’t seem to have moved to postwar, at least not yet) but I’m not sure two banishments in one thread is a record; I remember a few of Joey Farino’s threads ending with multiple bans, and he was usually one of them.

[barrysloate]

What is the current state of the market for signed T206? Are collectors avoiding them, or are they taking the ostrich with his head in the sand approach and pretending that they are all good because they are slabbed? I don't follow these at all, so I have no idea what's doing.

[OldOriole]

Originally Posted by edhans

Please raise your hand if you're a dealer who "does not buy SGC cards"

+1

I sell vintage cards in SGC and PSA holders at every Philly show and at each Chantilly show. I've never had a dealer say they don't buy SGC cards, not once. Buy the card, not the holder.

[T206Collector]

Plus why would they refuse? They may try to pay less, but like I said above, take a look at the SGC and PSA 6 Matty portraits and the SGC and PSA 5 Johnson portraits in REA last weekend. SGC did better.

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...searchin=title

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...searchin=title

[Peter_Spaeth]

707 as best I know is virtually exclusively PSA. I think 4SC is similar.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

707 as best I know is virtually exclusively PSA. I think 4SC is similar.

4SC is not. I've purchased SGC cards from them.