Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

Then a friend at work, also a denier, told me his father went to Florida and now had covid. He died within 5 days. My friend did a complete 180 and within a week had his whole family vaccinated.

The only thing that changes the minds of deniers are dead family or friends.

So, I guess we could hope for dead denier family and friends, but that wouldn't be very polite.

Doug "I wear a mask to be polite" Goodman

[irv]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The only thing that changes the minds of deniers are dead family or friends.

So, I guess we could hope for dead denier family and friends, but that wouldn't be very polite.

Doug "I wear a mask to be polite" Goodman

I don't know a single person who has contracted covid, and of course, with that, I don't know anyone who has died of it, but I did know someone who was perfectly healthy who received the vaccine and died 4 days later, but I guess that is just anecdotal, just like these?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...cine-1.5398821

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...says-1.5388245

Alberta reports country's second known death due to AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.cp24.com/news/alberta-re...cine-1.5414687

1.3% of Canada’s COVID-19 cases had 1st vaccine: PHAC
Two hundred and three people were hospitalized and 53 people died of COVID-19 after receiving one shot of the vaccine, PHAC added.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7829119/c...t-dose-canada/

Doug, maybe you should ask your question to these "Deniers"? It would be real interesting to hear their replies to you and if you would still call them deniers after?

Mmm, who to believe? Front line doctors' and Nurses, or what MSM feeds me?
https://www.newyorker.com/science/me...-covid-vaccine
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...er-reluctance/
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some...ted/a-56162735
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/s...cine-1.5872004
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2021021721967

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

I don't know a single person who has contracted covid, and of course, with that, I don't know anyone who has died of it, but I did know someone who was perfectly healthy who received the vaccine and died 4 days later, but I guess that is just anecdotal, just like these?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...cine-1.5398821

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...says-1.5388245

Alberta reports country's second known death due to AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.cp24.com/news/alberta-re...cine-1.5414687

1.3% of Canada’s COVID-19 cases had 1st vaccine: PHAC
Two hundred and three people were hospitalized and 53 people died of COVID-19 after receiving one shot of the vaccine, PHAC added.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7829119/c...t-dose-canada/

Doug, maybe you should ask your question to these "Deniers"? It would be real interesting to hear their replies to you and if you would still call them deniers after?

Mmm, who to believe? Front line doctors' and Nurses, or what MSM feeds me?
https://www.newyorker.com/science/me...-covid-vaccine
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...er-reluctance/
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some...ted/a-56162735
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/s...cine-1.5872004
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2021021721967

Thanks for uncovering all these secrets!

[Peter_Spaeth]

So what do you make of what's happening in India, Dale? Fearmongering by MSM maybe?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I find it interesting how the same people who question whether the virus caused various adverse outcomes seem to accept uncritically that the VACCINE caused all adverse outcomes reported after receiving it. Inconsistent? I would say so. I guess it depends on your agenda.

By the way, there have been some inquiries that concluded that some of the immediate adverse events reported after the vaccine were, in fact, the symptoms of panic attacks. Knowing what panic attacks can do, that doesn't surprise me.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So what do you make of what's happening in India, Dale? Fearmongering by MSM maybe?

Who actually knows what is really happening over there, Peter, and where in any of my posts am I denying covid exists?
I'm not sure how you've missed it, but the majority of what I have been trying to say is I don't think these vaccines are working as well as what we are being lead to believe.


Back to India. Wasn't it just a month or 2 ago, they, MSM, were reporting cases were plummeting rapidly?
If you can tell me which story is truthful, factual and correct, I am all ears because I honestly don't know what to believe anymore coming from MSM.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...covid-19-cases
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...785_story.html
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...india-unclear/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/asia/...cli/index.html

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Who actually knows what is really happening over there, Peter, and where in any of my posts am I denying covid exists?
I'm not sure how you've missed it, but the majority of what I have been trying to say is I don't think these vaccines are working as well as what we are being lead to believe.


Back to India. Wasn't it just a month or 2 ago, they, MSM, were reporting cases were plummeting rapidly?
If you can tell me which story is truthful, factual and correct, I am all ears because I honestly don't know what to believe anymore coming from MSM.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...covid-19-cases
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...785_story.html
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...india-unclear/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/asia/...cli/index.html

Who led you to believe they were going to be completely effective? You bring up some reports of post-vaccine illnesses and deaths and think you've revealed the emperor's not wearing clothes, you're attacking a straw man, nobody made any such claims.

By the way my point is not that people deny the existence of the disease, but rather that at the same time they question the deaths attributed to it while accepting without question that any post-vaccine adverse event is causally related.

And the situation in India changed, because the government was premature in its assessment that it had largely contained the virus, and it let down its guard. The triumph of politics and agenda over science. If we were allowed to discuss politics I might say, gee that sounds familiar.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who led you to believe they were going to be completely effective? You bring up some reports of post-vaccine illnesses and deaths and think you've revealed the emperor's not wearing clothes, you're attacking a straw man, nobody made any such claims.


And the situation in India changed, because the government was premature in its assessment that it had largely contained the virus, and it let down its guard. The triumph of politics and agenda over science.

You're kidding me, right?
With the over the top push to get vaccines, who wouldn't believe they would work and one would be actually protected?

People, right now, currently, believe that. They believe that having one shot protects them by at least 80% and their chances of getting covid are practically nil.
Not one I bet, until recently, actually thought they could die.
Where did they warn us about possible severe side affects and possible death from getting the vaccine? I guess I was sleeping during that announcement?

Right now some states are offering money and other incentives trying to get people vaccinated. Why is that? Are people just now hearing about these deaths and side affects or do you think they knew all along that getting the vaccine could still land them in the hospital and possibly kill them?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

You're kidding me, right?
With the over the top push to get vaccines, who wouldn't believe they would work and one would be actually protected?

People, right now, currently, believe that. They believe that having one shot protects them by at least 80% and their chances of getting covid are practically nil.
Not one I bet, until recently, actually thought they could die.
Where did they warn us about possible severe side affects and possible death from getting the vaccine? I guess I was sleeping during that announcement?

Right now some states are offering money and other incentives trying to get people vaccinated. Why is that? Are people just now hearing about these deaths and side affects or do you think they knew all along that getting the vaccine could still land them in the hospital and possibly kill them?

CDC website.

•Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because no vaccine is 100% effective. Experts continue to monitor and evaluate how often this occurs, how severe their illness is, and how likely a vaccinated person is to spread COVID-19 to others.

The efficacy rates were very clear in everything I read. So were the warnings.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

You're kidding me, right?
With the over the top push to get vaccines, who wouldn't believe they would work and one would be actually protected?

People, right now, currently, believe that. They believe that having one shot protects them by at least 80% and their chances of getting covid are practically nil.
Not one I bet, until recently, actually thought they could die.
Where did they warn us about possible severe side affects and possible death from getting the vaccine? I guess I was sleeping during that announcement?

Right now some states are offering money and other incentives trying to get people vaccinated. Why is that? Are people just now hearing about these deaths and side affects or do you think they knew all along that getting the vaccine could still land them in the hospital and possibly kill them?

Pretty sure it was you that mentioned that the covid survival rate was over 97% as a way of saying we don't all need the vaccine. If not you, someone did.
Let's assume the number of people who have died after getting the vaccine actually died from the vaccine. Could you please present the survival rate for people getting the vaccine? Just wondering how they compare.

Thanks, Ken