auto racing cards

[D. Bergin]

I’ve never had one of these in hand, but shouldn’t these have “hand-cut” notations on them?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I’ve never had one of these in hand, but shouldn’t these have “hand-cut” notations on them?

The SI Kids cards don't.

[Kzoo]

Not card related, but my son and I had a great weekend at Indy for his 1st 500. The race day crowd was massive and the tradition truly makes this race the 'greatest spectacle'. He had our tickets signed by Newgarden on Legends Day and I got my '92 Michael Andretti race worn helmet signed by Marco (it was already signed by Michael and Mario). Carb day was busy with the cars on track for 2 hours. We saw Ferrucci and Daly at dinner downtown on Saturday night, too. The racing collectibles show was cool, but we only bought a couple tickets to get signed.....nothing exciting card related, but those may have disappeared on the opening day (Thursday). Can't wait for next year!

[Bored5000]

Neat autographed items, Matt. Glad you enjoyed Indy. The race looked phenomenal on television.

I had always wondered if there was much in the way of cards at the Indianapolis 500 collectibles show.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I know zero about ticket stubs, but this 1965 Jim Clark caught my eye. Is the price insane?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276322298027

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I know zero about ticket stubs, but this 1965 Jim Clark caught my eye. Is the price insane?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276322298027

Yes, that price is insane, IMO. I realize that the ticket is graded, but Indy tickets after, say, World War II don't sell for a lot of money. You should be able to get a ticket from the 1965 race for well under $100. Indy tickets from the '60s usually sell in the $25-75 range.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If it's on ebay, it's overpriced lol.

[Kzoo]

I picked up these t36's of Oldfield, De Palma and Chevrolet this weekend at the Detroit show. They're all low grade, but I was happy to find them and it looks like any t36's graded 4 or higher are 'high grade' according to the PSA pop report.

[Exhibitman]

That Oldfield was quite a character.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

I picked up these t36's of Oldfield, De Palma and Chevrolet this weekend at the Detroit show. They're all low grade, but I was happy to find them and it looks like any t36's graded 4 or higher are 'high grade' according to the PSA pop report.

Great pickups, Matt. I am at 11/25 on a basic T36 driver set. They have really escalated in price over the past several years. I kick myself for not putting together a set when good/very good examples could be had for $25-30 each.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

That Oldfield was quite a character.

The first driver ever to break the magical mile a minute mark (60 miles per hour), Oldfield shattered the belief that the human body could not withstand such a speed. He also became the first driver synonymous with racing to the extent that the mere mention of his name meant speed.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/art...arney-oldfield


And, of course, Oldfield has a boxing connection with his 1910 match race against heavyweight champion Jack Johnson. That match race earned Oldfield a suspension from the AAA race sanctioning body for racing against a negro.

https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/110354

https://www.firstsuperspeedway.com/b...s-jack-johnson

[Exhibitman]

Oldfield was a frequent visitor to the Jeffries Barn in Burbank CA for the fights. Here is a picture of a group of ringside celebrities with Oldfield:

[Exhibitman]

Please help me ID this driver

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Please help me ID this driver

Rick Mears?

1984

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...?adppopup=true

[Exhibitman]

Bingo! Autograph is spot on too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bought this early Hamilton.

[Bored5000]

Great pick up, Peter. I think a lot of collectors are still not aware that those Czech magazine cards even exist, but PSA grading them will go a long way toward making more people aware that there are other early Hamilton options besides the Futera (which is out of reach price-wise for many collectors), Top Trumps and SIFK cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Are there any cards of David Pearson during his active years?

[Exhibitman]

Best bet are postcards from Racing Pictorial and STP. I have a 1976 available if you are interested. Maybe some from the 1960s too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Best bet are postcards from Racing Pictorial and STP. I have a 1976 available if you are interested. Maybe some from the 1960s too.

Thanks Adam. I don't love those postcards that mostly feature the car, but could be interested in 60s if a good pic of him. Something like this in better shape would be cool.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/23556601915...Bk9SR_6MnJeOZA

[Exhibitman]

Try the 1969 Don Hunter PC, eBay item # 235569319706

Seller doesn't show the back, but it is from a 1969 issue published by Don Hunter and has a nice bio back.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Are there any cards of David Pearson during his active years?

There is not a good option for Pearson in terms of a traditional card. He has a sticker in the 1985 Sportstar Photo-Graphic set, but the choices are nearly non-existent for the prime of his career.

One of the mysteries of the 1972 STP set is where the hell is the David Pearson card? We get Elmo Langley and Dick Brooks in that set, but no Pearson. By '72, Pearson had already won three NASCAR championships.

[Theodderthebetter]

I am going to go out on a limb here and speculate , I think the 1972 STP cards were ony given out at a STP tent at the Daytona speedway. The only cards made were STP sponsered drivers which would explain the drivers selected. Im sure some drivers like Petty were major sponsers and other drivers were associate or minor sponsers by STP. As far as the Lorenzen cards being so scarce I think his sponsership was pulled befere the race. I have no proof but this makes sense.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Theodderthebetter

I am going to go out on a limb here and speculate , I think the 1972 STP cards were ony given out at a STP tent at the Daytona speedway. The only cards made were STP sponsered drivers which would explain the drivers selected. Im sure some drivers like Petty were major sponsers and other drivers were associate or minor sponsers by STP. As far as the Lorenzen cards being so scarce I think his sponsership was pulled befere the race. I have no proof but this makes sense.

The STP cards were indeed available for free at the STP tent at the '72 Daytona 500. Collectors who picked up the cards that year insist the two Lorenzen cards were not available that day. Lorenzen did not lose his STP sponsorship; he retired prior to the '72 Daytona 500 and did not even compete in the race that year (he did subsequently make a handful of starts later that season before retiring for good). Lorenzen was good friends was STP CEO Andy Granatelli, and that has been speculated as the reason why Lorenzen is the only driver with two cards in the set.

Not all the drivers in the set were sponsored by STP.

[Exhibitman]

It also seems like the same 4-5 drivers are offered for sale all the time: Petty, Baker, Langley, Glotzbach. Where are the others??

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

It also seems like the same 4-5 drivers are offered for sale all the time: Petty, Baker, Langley, Glotzbach. Where are the others??

The poster "Justus," who posts on this board once in a while, has collected 1972 STPs for a long time. From different PMs I have had with "Justus" over the years, he has said that Bobby Allison is as hard to find as the two Lorenzen cards.

I had heard a while ago that Langley and Baker both had stashes of their own cards that they handed out to fans after the 1972 release. That does seem possible, considering how common the Langley and Baker cards seem to be. I wonder if all the Petty cards coming out of the woodwork is just a function of how much the value of that card has escalated the last few years. I remember selling a Petty STP card on here for $150 maybe five years ago, and that was a fair price for both buyer and seller at the time. Petty STPs were not always as common on eBay as what they are these days.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wish I had bought a higher grade one when they were still cheap, but still, to me one of the great non major sports cards there is, an indispensable card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

The poster "Justus," who posts on this board once in a while, has collected 1972 STPs for a long time. From different PMs I have had with "Justus" over the years, he has said that Bobby Allison is as hard to find as the two Lorenzen cards.

I had heard a while ago that Langley and Baker both had stashes of their own cards that they handed out to fans after the 1972 release. That does seem possible, considering how common the Langley and Baker cards seem to be. I wonder if all the Petty cards coming out of the woodwork is just a function of how much the value of that card has escalated the last few years. I remember selling a Petty STP card on here for $150 maybe five years ago, and that was a fair price for both buyer and seller at the time. Petty STPs were not always as common on eBay as what they are these days.

There is a PSA 5 Allison on ebay.

[D. Bergin]

I see Hamilton won for the 1st time in awhile today. George Russell won last week, so Mercedes gaining some momentum after starting off the season horribly. Guessing they were able to make some improvements to the car recently.

Verstappen still has a commanding lead, despite his team-mate Sergio Perez really struggling this year.

[Exhibitman]

Can anyone ID this driver?

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wish I had bought a higher grade one when they were still cheap, but still, to me one of the great non major sports cards there is, an indispensable card.

I wholeheartedly agree with you