Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I completely agree: that Tigers pennant is awesome. Interesting thing about it: I do believe that version was by Trench...

...but beware: WGN liked the design so much they made a copy of it featuring the same stadium façade artwork; albeit, much smaller; and using Day Glo colors; and featuring the ballpark's more contemporary name/signage, "TIGER STADIUM."

WGN's was made in '68 to commemorate the "Sock it to'em" Tigers, so the Trench version likely came out much earlier.

They even ripped-off Trench's signature letter font!

Oh I have no doubt that it’s a Trench. Only that it doesn’t quite fit the mold of their other stadium pennants (graphic of inside stadium with smaller logo floating above). Whatever the case, the Trench artist should have been honored at the annual pennant awards ceremony for that design. IMO the best looking team pennant from the 1950s along with the Yankees with large batter in front of large Uncle Sam hat.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Okay, so I'm not the only person that thought that that right field "flood" part of the Candlestick graphic looked odd! I'm sure they intended to depict a walkway of sorts; but, why does it appear in some; and not in others?

Rob, Marc ... I'm looking at you two on this one....

I have no idea why the "spillway" appeared on some pennants and not others. I also have no idea why the artist emphasized it on Marc's pennant. Here's an pre-opening pic of Candlestick. My guess is the open area was for deliveries or the opposing team's bus or something like that.

[perezfan]

Maybe they drew Marc's pennant that way to depict "the opening of the floodgates" with Mays, McCovey and Cepeda doing damage to opposing pitchers?

Both versions are beyond cool looking, and both equally scarce for pennants of that era. That stadium definitely looks better on a pennant than in-person. We called it "Candlestink" when we lived there because it was always cold and windy (even in the dead of summer).

[thetahat]

Have a vivid memory of Phillies’ Don Carman (favorite pitcher as a kid) almost going perfect game in ‘86 at Candlestick until a damn wind blown fly ball in the 9th fell for a double ...

Both of those Candlestick pennants are beyond awesome ... pure works of art. Is this known to exist with any trademark? (TMC, or the little baseball)

[thetahat]

Here are some variations of those two favorite Trench pennants ...

[perezfan]

Yep... that was their Heyday. Beautiful and classic imagery.

Very under-appreciated within the hobby!

[bocca001]

Here is a photo of an old pennant (not mine) (listed on ebay this week).

[Domer05]

Charlotte? Chattanooga??

[MK]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Here is a photo of an old pennant (not mine) (listed on ebay this week).

Looks like this one.

[MK]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Here are some variations of those two favorite Trench pennants ...

These pins used the same stadium and Tiger and have a Sortservice trademark.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by MK

These pins used the same stadium and Tiger and have a Sortservice trademark.

Great finds on both the pennant and the pins, Mike. I have on SF Giants pin with the SportsService logo but the graphic is not found on any pennant....which is unfortunate, because it’s a cool pin.

[ooo-ribay]

Inside the Park had quite a few pennants in their auction last night. I don’t guess any were super rare or you guys would have been bidding. Still, most seemed to be worth a $40 opening bid, yet many got no action at all.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Inside the Park had quite a few pennants in their auction last night. I don’t guess any were super rare or you guys would have been bidding. Still, most seemed to be worth a $40 opening bid, yet many got no action at all.

I saw them, the better baseball ones were in weak condition. Fading, holes etc.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by MK

These pins used the same stadium and Tiger and have a Sortservice trademark.

Cool! What a beautiful graphic.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I saw them, the better baseball ones were in weak condition. Fading, holes etc.

OK....I didn’t look too closely.

[thetahat]

Question ... is this a pennant or a grilled cheese?

[ooo-ribay]

measures 11” by 21”

[perezfan]

I can't even imagine how it got to that state. Looks like it has survived fires, mud puddles and teething dogs.

Maybe it's "game used", meaning it fell out of the fan's hand and on to a very muddy playing field, where it got trampled by Curly Culp, Willie Lanier and Buck Buchanan's cleats for 3 hours.

I'm guessing it won't make it to his asking price.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I can't even imagine how it got to that state. Looks like it has survived fires, mud puddles and teething dogs.

Maybe it's "game used", meaning it fell out of the fan's hand and on to a very muddy playing field, where it got trampled by Curly Culp, Willie Lanier and Buck Buchanan's cleats for 3 hours.

I'm guessing it won't make it to his asking price.

LOLOL!!! That’s a good one ... in fact I can see it now ... “game waved pennant”.

On a similar note, I used to own that awesome ‘32 Cubs WS pennant that you have with the cartoon mouse-cub. Almost certain the exact pennant, has the same weird cut in the upper corner but mint condition. That was when I used to buy and trade at the Philly show like 15 years ago. Anyway I used to think ... this pennant might actually know whether or not Ruth called his shot. Then I remind myself that it’s a piece of cloth and that I’m an idiot ..

[thetahat]

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[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I have no idea why the "spillway" appeared on some pennants and not others. I also have no idea why the artist emphasized it on Marc's pennant. Here's an pre-opening pic of Candlestick. My guess is the open area was for deliveries or the opposing team's bus or something like that.

That is a GREAT picture!

[MK]

This tag is on a pennant. Can anyone tell me what is the company?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by MK

This tag is on a pennant. Can anyone tell me what is the company?

Don't know about the tag, but I'd love to see the pennant!

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Don't know about the tag, but I'd love to see the pennant!

Don’t own the pennant. Sorry.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by MK

This tag is on a pennant. Can anyone tell me what is the company?

"A & Co. N.Y." = Annin & Co., a legendary flag maker based in New York City that's been in business since the 1850s. For many decades they were the largest maker of US flags in the business; and I suspect that's still the case.

In the early 1900s Annin was one of the largest makers of felt novelty pennants and banners. Most of these were collegiate pennants. They also made pennants for fraternal orders. Apart from their signature A & Co. label, these pennants often featured three pairs of tassels made from silk or satin. They were gorgeous.

By the mid-1910s Annin was offering felt pennants in both the sewn letter and screen printed styles.

The only professional baseball pennant I can definitively attribute to them was a 1916-dated Boston Red Sox World Champions pennant (I know because it's actually featured in their catalogue from that year). It's a red/white monochrome pennant ... Rick Haskins owns it, I recall.

At some point the company dropped out of the felt novelty business; but, I'm still unclear precisely when that was. Their 1954 catalogue still shows collegiate pennants as part of their offerings; but I can't say I've ever seen anything with their label/mark on it that's that new.

I suspect they may have stopped using labels all together by the 1930s. If so, that may explain why most of the pennants attributable to them came from the turn of the century--not the mid-century.

They probably made a lot more pennants than we know of....

[MK]

Originally Posted by Domer05

"A & Co. N.Y." = Annin & Co., a legendary flag maker based in New York City that's been in business since the 1850s. For many decades they were the largest maker of US flags in the business; and I suspect that's still the case.

In the early 1900s Annin was one of the largest makers of felt novelty pennants and banners. Most of these were collegiate pennants. They also made pennants for fraternal orders. Apart from their signature A & Co. label, these pennants often featured three pairs of tassels made from silk or satin. They were gorgeous.

By the mid-1910s Annin was offering felt pennants in both the sewn letter and screen printed styles.

The only professional baseball pennant I can definitively attribute to them was a 1916-dated Boston Red Sox World Champions pennant (I know because it's actually featured in their catalogue from that year). It's a red/white monochrome pennant ... Rick Haskins owns it, I recall.

At some point the company dropped out of the felt novelty business; but, I'm still unclear precisely when that was. Their 1954 catalogue still shows collegiate pennants as part of their offerings; but I can't say I've ever seen anything with their label/mark on it that's that new.

I suspect they may have stopped using labels all together by the 1930s. If so, that may explain why most of the pennants attributable to them came from the turn of the century--not the mid-century.

They probably made a lot more pennants than we know of....

Thank you so much for the info.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

On a similar note, I used to own that awesome ‘32 Cubs WS pennant that you have with the cartoon mouse-cub. Almost certain the exact pennant, has the same weird cut in the upper corner but mint condition. That was when I used to buy and trade at the Philly show like 15 years ago. Anyway I used to think ... this pennant might actually know whether or not Ruth called his shot. Then I remind myself that it’s a piece of cloth and that I’m an idiot ..

Greg...

I forgot that was once yours...

The '32 Cubs is one of my very favorites. A permanent spot on the wall for that one. The "Giant Mouse" Cub is always immensely popular with everyone who visits the house. It is unlike anything made in the last 80 years, so people are always mesmerized by it.

On a more somber note, I'm posting the 1929 Cubs (seen in the second photo) for the final time, as it has found a nice new home.

[MK]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Greg...

I forgot that was once yours...

The '32 Cubs is one of my very favorites. A permanent spot on the wall for that one. The "Giant Mouse" Cub is always immensely popular with everyone who visits the house. It is unlike anything made in the last 80 years, so people are always mesmerized by it.

On a more somber note, I'm posting the 1929 Cubs (seen in the second photo) for the final time, as it has found a nice new home.

Wow! You let that great ‘29 Cubs pennant go? I didn’t miss an auction did I? What a beautiful and rare piece.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Greg...

I forgot that was once yours...

The '32 Cubs is one of my very favorites. A permanent spot on the wall for that one. The "Giant Mouse" Cub is always immensely popular with everyone who visits the house. It is unlike anything made in the last 80 years, so people are always mesmerized by it.

On a more somber note, I'm posting the 1929 Cubs (seen in the second photo) for the final time, as it has found a nice new home.

Why did the CUBS put a MOUSE on their pennant?

[MK]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Why did the CUBS put a MOUSE on their pennant?

I would say the pennant company just had a very bad artist.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by MK

I would say the pennant company just had a very bad artist.

Either that, or it was done by the artist's kid.

Yeah, Mike... the '29 Cubs is gone. It was a direct sale, and never went to auction. Next time I part with a rare Cubs pennant , I'll be sure to run it by you.

[MK]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Either that, or it was done by the artist's kid.

Yeah, Mike... the '29 Cubs is gone. It was a direct sale, and never went to auction. Next time I part with a rare Cubs pennant , I'll be sure to run it by you.

I hope it went to a good home. It is a special pennant. And thanks for considering me next time.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Why did the CUBS put a MOUSE on their pennant?

That's not just any mouse...It's Mickey Rat.

[ooo-ribay]

Here's another with the "VET" mark. We never figured that one out, did we?

[Fballguy]

Was watching the pennant lots in Lelands last night and thought the prices realized were reasonable. Didn't see anything that jumped out as a great deal for the buyer or a killing for the seller. Except maybe this curious lot. Someone is willing to play $1250, not including tax or shipping for these pennants? There's not a pennant in the lot worth over $200 and you could get most on ebay for under $100. What am I missing?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Was watching the pennant lots in Lelands last night and thought the prices realized were reasonable. Didn't see anything that jumped out as a great deal for the buyer or a killing for the seller. Except maybe this curious lot. Someone is willing to play $1250, not including tax or shipping for these pennants? There's not a pennant in the lot worth over $200 and you could get most on ebay for under $100. What am I missing?

People seem to always overpay in the AH auctions. It’s as if they don’t trust ebay.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

People seem to always overpay in the AH auctions. It’s as if they don’t trust ebay.

If I listed that lot on ebay, it would sell for $400-$500

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

If I listed that lot on ebay, it would sell for $400-$500

Right on the money...

Before I even read your post, I added them up, and came to a value of $450. Nothing uncommon in there, with the Dodgers and Browns being about tied for the best.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Here's another with the "VET" mark. We never figured that one out, did we?

I think the consensus was this is likely a concessionaire's mark for an unknown company; and, one that ASCO was known to include on pennants they made.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I think the consensus was this is likely a concessionaire's mark for an unknown company; and, one that ASCO was known to include on pennants they made.

All I can say is that the first pennants I ever owned as a kid - and still have, with like 50 thumbtack holes in each - all have the VET mark. They were bought at games in the mid-late 70s. Guess which stadium they were purchased in?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right on the money...

Before I even read your post, I added them up, and came to a value of $450. Nothing uncommon in there, with the Dodgers and Browns being about tied for the best.

There was a cool Red Sox pennant in a small batch but they were all glued to white boards!

[thetahat]

I just realized ... it is probably worthwhile to buy a normal sized pennant and break it up into 5 or 6 mini pennants!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I just realized ... it is probably worthwhile to buy a normal sized pennant and break it up into 5 or 6 mini pennants!

Don’t forget to add $9.60 shipping!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Funny thing is that Yankees pennant is much earlier than 1960, yet someone took some white out or something and dated it.

[ooo-ribay]

Picked up a cheap upgrade for my blue, "Giant on the bridge." I don't know if they were the same color to begin with. I also don't know if the lesser grade had a yellow bridge that faded or never got that color at all.

[Fballguy]

Judging from that Giant's hat and sleeves, I'd say the bridge was never colored. That upgrade looks great. Very vibrant.

[Fballguy]

Haven't bought much lately but was mildly interested in this, primarily because I haven't received a package in what seems like weeks...but not for this kind of money. WOW

[bocca001]

That's a funky looking Dallas pennant.

Speaking of funky, I picked up this Astros pennant over the weekend at a Houston Antique mall. I know it looks plain, but it is strange for one of these seemingly common Astrodome pennants. The dome area is almost always colored, either the dome itself or the area around the dome. And there is always an MLB logo of copyright C in pre-MLB logo versions. This one has neither. It also has a cloth spine. Compare with the pic of a pennant from 1974, that has the typical color around the dome.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Judging from that Giant's hat and sleeves, I'd say the bridge was never colored. That upgrade looks great. Very vibrant.

I just noticed the cursive font is different...and the "GIANTS" in the one I had is "squattier." My new pick up is not a Mitchell & Ness.

[perezfan]

Very nice upgrade, Rob...

I’ve noticed that lots of these are more bland than others, and that there are two different fonts. Just another excuse to have two of this great pennant. One of the most undervalued Pennants IMHO.