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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JK
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Shelly, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Josh Adams
JK, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Josh, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
Charlie if you make it known what you did to the card you are correct. If you dont state that the card is altered and you recived more money because of that you are wrong. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Shelly, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Shelly, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Shelly, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: jay behrens
Shelly, what Charlie and others of his mind set don't get, or won't admit to, is that if they did admit to erasing pen/pencil or other "acceptable" alterations that it would negatively impact the final sales prices. If it really was acceptable and no one really cared, then this information would be offered in the description. It's not because it's not widely accepted contrary to what others here would have you believe. I'll believe its a widely accepted practice when Mastro and other major auction houses mention this type of work in their descriptions. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
You belive what you want. I know there are at least a dozen law suites out there that say you wrong. I also know that are things happening that might really surprise you in the next few months. Cheating is not subjective. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
The way they see it is: |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Shelly, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Joe, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
That you don't know what the Mr Clean Faction used to get rid of the stain. ... Is that right? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Joe, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
Charlie,In the court of law there are degrees as to what is and what is not. If and item is altered and sold with your knowledge and you don't tell the buyer you are guilty of a civil or criminal act.I know that there are lawyers on this site please correct me if I am wrong. All I am saying is that if you knowingly sell something for more money by changeing what that item is it is wrong. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Shelly, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
That has been a known to many, but to him, it's like breaking new ground. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
Shelly, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Dave F
Interesting Crandell. Serious discussions aren't welcomed here huh? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
Letrs see if Asphaltman get get himself thrown off with another round of personal attacks???? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Chad
Dang, what the heck am I doing in this crappy place then? All you guys do is talk about punk rock and fight about where to have dinner. I'm taking my 1970 Topps jumbos and moving on. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
a) WATER vs. BLEACH. On the issue of undisclosed erasures or water soaking gunk off, I take the same position as stated by someone (I forget who) above -- I draw a big line between water and bleach. But I disagree that there are no "standards and guidelines" for what constitutes an impermissible alteration. SGC has set forth those standards very clearly. In the event they begin not grading cards that have evidence of water soaking then I won't water soak my cards to get gunk off. As stated a zillion times on here before, SGC (and PSA, by the way) knows the practice -- water soaking -- they can detect it many times and still let it slide. Any time you see an SGC or PSA card encapsulated with glue residue on the reverse, there's your example of water removal. It was for a long time a universally accepted practice, old school collectors would drop albums in bathtubs filled with water and watch the cards rise to the surface. But water soaking has has recently come under fire on here by puritans who want to play a 100 year old game of musical chairs. If you want to change the standards, be my guest, but your beef is with the grading companies, not the collectors of raw cards. Again, SGC won't grade the bleached ones but will grade the formerly water soaked ones -- I agree with this stance and am not in favor of pushing for a change here. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Petey
1. There will never be a consensus as to what is acceptable and what is not. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: John
Jim, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
No plans to reholder my cards. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- so not a single one of your 25,000 cards looks a little funky to you? That is an extraordinary percentage of unaltered cards. Are you being totally objective? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: paulstratton
Jim, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- right now I wish I were in Sag Harbor, but we rented our house out for the year and the tenant's lease doesn't end until Oct 31. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Joseph
Barry, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: barrysloate
No wet cards. Although we had a deluge early this morning, the hurricane was in another part of Brooklyn, but only 10-15 minutes from here. I didn't even know about it until somebody called me. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Cobby33
Why would someone make a post on a non-serious-discussion Board? Wouldn't that make their post not serious? Hmmmmm...... |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: John
Jim, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
I wasn't aware that Kevin was inspecting my cards--let alone for free. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Dave F
Jim...could you get rid of the stupid quote at the bottom of your messages. Its a wee bit childish. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
No. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: T206Collector
Jim obviously wants to try to hide behind the threat of expelling people from the Board if they disagree with his opinion or stand up to his own personal attacks. Since Jim doesn't realize that he invites criticism with virtually everything he says, he believes that the challenges he has faced on the Board are unsolicited. He also thinks they are all "personal attacks," which, of course, they aren't. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
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Posted By: John
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"I wasn't aware that Kevin was inspecting my cards--let alone for free. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JK
Personally, I have a feeling if people start getting banned for commenting on Jim C's posts, this board will lose a lot of participants. Frankly, not that I think its about to happen, but if anything said by T206 was deemed an attack and he were to get banned as requested by Jim, I'd leave as well. Of course, I didnt make Jim's list of N54 participants who make worthy contributions to this board, so I guess it would be no real loss. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I don't know that it's fair to expect Jim to take a bath on his altered cards just to make a point. The guy can want to do all that he can to clean up the hobby without having to hurt himself and his family financially, right? All we want is to ensure that the grading companies be able to spot altered cards and stop providing favors to their big clients and for the auction companies to stop altering cards, stop selling items owned by the very people that authenticate them (i.e., stop conflicts of interest), and to stop shill bidding. Is that asking all that much? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
John, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Chad
If I make fun of myself? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: T206Collector
...I attacked Jim or pushed the attacking envelope in my post above. I don't think I'll be getting expelled any time soon. I know the rules; I respect them and play by them. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
T206, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: T206Collector
...is Paul. You can feel free to call me Paul instead of T206Collector if you like. Doesn't bother me either way. |
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