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Posted By: Anson
It certainly smells of tabloid tactics. One criminal act doesn't make another right. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
"...Bonds looks like he's going to tarnish his image even more (hard to believe that's possible)" |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
I only read a couple of the posts in this thread an got bored with it but I got curious when I saw there were 251 posts so I thought I'd check it out again. |
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Posted By: Brian
Still sounds like a bunch of spin from both sides. Sadly, common sense and the law rarely meet and common sense says that Bonds should not be able profit from the illegally gained performance from the use of steriods/HGH. It shouldn't really matter whether he is the only one to do so. Even if he isn't the only one to commit the crime, you know that he paid well for this advantage. This just leads to more people committing crimes to profit from it. |
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Posted By: Jason
Yes Sosa and Palmeiro. Palmeiro had over 500 HRs and over 3000 hits. Also he was more clutch. Now if Mantle would have stayed in better health there would be no question. |
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Posted By: David Smith
He loses the first round of his lawsuit and now might not play until opening day. Why is that? Scared of what the public might say or do to him?? |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
Can't let this thing die without defending the Mick. How did this thread about steroid boy turn into a Mantle bashing?? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Dave, one serious flaw with your conspiracy theory. There is no way a company is going to spend the money in R&D on a drug for just one athlete. Even Bonds doesn't make enough money to bankroll a personal steroid. |
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Posted By: Jason
Bonds HR production is not enhanced from steroids like everyone assumes. He is a greatly disciplined hitter. He has probably the best eye in he game. |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Many several posts ago, John Kal posted with a reference to Major League Baseball's drug policy in the early 90s. Here is a link to the policy: |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Jason, |
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Posted By: jay behrens
The 1991 rule ahs been dicussed on the SABR-l. Basically, the rule was there, but MLB had no desire or intent to enforce the rulle. I wish had some of the posts pointing out how this rule was essentially useless and worthless. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Jay, I figure this is a Bonds thread so that's my comments have been pretty much limited to Bonds. Now, if Clemens was hitting homers at such an improved rate I'm sure I'd try to draw a comparison between the two. Roger still has ZERO homeruns in his career. But just for arguements sake, I don't see vast improvement in Rogers career in the last 5 years or so. Last year he did happen to dip below 2.00 for his ERA (only the second time in his career). His ERA for the last 4 seasons is over 3.00 and his strikeout totals are nothing abnormal. One other comparison is that it doesn't appear that Roger Clemens muscle mass has immensely increased. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
You don't need to do the gym work that Bonds does in order to make steroids effective. Bulking up is not going to make Clemens a more effective pitcher, but steroids will allow you get stronger, throw harder, throw faster and come back sooner. the majority of the players that have tested positive for steroids are pitchers, yet they make up roughly 1/3 of the roster. This should tell you something about steroids, their effectiveness and who they really help the most. |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: Jason
If steroids could make you hit homers everyone would be playing baseball. If this were the case we would have 200 players every year hitting 70+ home runs. Watch Bond's hit. He has become more disciplined. I suppose you would have to have played the game at a higher level at some point to understand. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Well-put! |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: jay behrens
or more to Jason's point, MLB would be overrun by the steroid freaks of the WWE and we'd be watching them blasting out HRs every night.Big Papa Pump could hit 100 HRs a season with those guns he had. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
This is starting to repeat itself. First off, you have to have the talent to hit a baseball coming at you from different angles and speeds (not to mention different trajectories). You can't just take anybody on steroids and make them a baseball player. To hit homeruns requires someone that can first hit the ball, PERHAPS that is why we don't see professional wrestlers hitting 100 homeruns a season. Bonds already had the talent to jack the ball, all he did was POSSIBLY (hahahaha) enhance himself to get that bat through the strikezone a little faster (and harder). He had the hand eye coordination already. You take a talent like that and mix in the clear and the cream and you get BONDS. I don't think there's a person that knows baseball that would say pre-CLEAR/CREAM Barry was an untalented ball player. |
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Posted By: Anson
Judge, it's a dead thread. Obviously there are Bonds faithfuls and others that want to hang him. I find myself not liking the guy and certainly not believing he's clean. But, I do believe Jay is right in that there are many other folks to look at. Barry may be at the front of the line but I think there are SEVERAL question marks in MLB. |
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Posted By: Al Crisafulli
"Steroids make good players great and great players icons." |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Judge, the point is that these people make it seem like Bonds and other would never hit a HR if they weren't juiced. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Jay, |
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Posted By: jay behrens
So has anyone actually gone out and bought the book? |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: Anonymous
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Posted By: Anson
"That's the one comment in the above post that I can't agree with." |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Does Schmidt also believe that the players that used greenies should be banned from the HOF too? Or did he conviently gloss over or ignore and important part his playing days that invovled an illegal substance? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Brendan booth posted this excerpt from a radio interview with Bonds attorney on the SABR-l list: |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Jay, |
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Posted By: leonl
and it gets locked just kidding...it could go to 500 for all I care... |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
For incentive, my favorite movie is 2001. Luckily, my favorite isn't 20,000 League Beneath the Sea |
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Posted By: Brian
Mitchell to head steroid investigationESPN.com news services |
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Posted By: Anonymous
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: Kenny Cole
So long as ALL potentially culpable parties are investigated. That would include the Commissioner, the players union, the owners, and the players. After all, since we're looking to preserve the "sanctity" of the game (something that I believe was lost long ago, if it ever really existed), we certainly need to insure that not only are the actual cheaters not allowed to prosper, but that those who knowingly prospered off of the cheaters who prospered are properly sanctioned as well. Certainly, it cannot seriously be argued that only the players are tasked with preserving whatever "sanctity" the game presumably possesses. Above and beyond all else, isn't that the job the Commissioner is supposed to have? |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: jay behrens
I totally agree with Ken and this exact point was brought up by Olberman and numerous others, that if this is to bea truely legit investigation, then they also need to find out when what the commissioner and owners knew. They are just as guilty as the players for turning a blind eye to what was going on. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Great art; I wonder if Bonds will sign it? |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: John J. Grillo
I don't buy into investigating owners and the commish as well. We live in an era where individual responsibility cannot be fully accepted--we must find a way to blame others (or solely blame others) as well. |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: jay behrens
I am one of the biggest propopents of personal responsibility. The difference here is that the owners benefited greatly from these players juicing. People don't want to see Bonds, et al benefiting or profiting from from doing this, so why should the owners benefit and profit if they knew their employees were doing something illegal? They should have stepped in and put an end to it, but there is no way they are going to kill the cash cow, so they are just as culpable. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
I don't like Bonds as a person but... |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: Cy
There is talk with this new investigation of placing asterisks on the records if players juiced. My first question is, if a player hits a home run off a pitcher who juiced, does that player get a positive asterisk? |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: ChuckkieB
Greenies never turned a 390 ft fly ball into a 450 ft home run. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Chuck, |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: Frank Evanov
What would Kennesaw do? |
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Bonds exposed: Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted By: Al Crisafulli
"Greenies never turned a 390 ft fly ball into a 450 ft home run" |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
This is post 295 Jay. Are you going to be 300? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
299 cheatin like the Judge did |
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