BST etiquette am I wrong

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by John1941

Do you understand how creepy you're being?

Also, I have no idea what you're talking about with "signing up to see my full account" and paying 19 bucks.

LOL showing you how nieve you are is creepy?

Oh boy. Do you understand everything you have here can put you on the map? Did you not link to a blog you post to in your bio? Since I don't belong I have no idea what info you linked nor do I care others may go that direction to help link info to you.

I'm stating each part you add is a piece of the puzzle for someone online to link to you. It may actually hold your name or family members or any other part of your so called private life.

Just so you understand for about 20 bucks I can find out almost everything about anyone I want, and so can you. I showed a friend of mine how easy I could find his elderly parents and sibling, and it took me no money, and about 5 minutes. He was shocked I could find his parents so easily. Their ages, first names, addresses, ages, family members, and neighbors. He was shocked because they had no online accounts or today's gadgets. Anyone can do this with little information.

I'm simply trying to point out, we can be found, and the link you posted to "Showing your collections/room off to others" is on Google for all to see. That's all it takes. Many have both their names, and locations, "ones that don't show off their collections as well". Yet they do, and don't even know it. Some even mentioned their security systems and guns. Yet some think saying, I'll take it on the BST post is blasphemy vs doing so via DM. That was the proof that was given to me about how people don't want to show what they have. Many people do it without even knowing they're doing it by simply posting day after day.

[babraham]

That was entertaining reading.

Regardless of which side you're on regarding the actual card sale, the "I'll see you in court" line is just a classic.
I'd love to see an actual lawyer laugh this "case" out of their office.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

I will take it

THAT is the best post of this thread.

I like both Cody and Jonathan a lot, sorry this happened.

There is at least one person frequently posting to this thread who I wish would get banned from the site, though.

Doug "I badmouthed somebody, so here's my full name" Goodman

[Rich Klein]

Go back to the very old Full Count Board days (pre-Net 54) where that message board dissolved into a morass of name calling and the focus on vintage cards went away.

The rule, and it is in my opinion, is the posting of a real name if you make certain comments is one which has made this board stronger because if you say something you are, in a way, asked to back it up instead of just typing where no one knows who you are.

John, on this one, you frankly don't have a leg to stand on and there are ways to disguise your name with a symbol here and there. There are people on the board who do that which does help prevent the google searches. Look at how Vintage Vern and Brent G did their names as examples.

Regards
Rich

Who has always posted with his name on this board

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I like both Cody and Jonathan a lot, sorry this happened.

THAT is the best post of this thread.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

You are literally estalking a kid and describing your process in this thread tonight. It's really funny, but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you lol

Again, what's creepy is you know this person is a minor, yet pivot it back on someone else as "having something wrong with them" creepers gonna creep is the old saying. Keep it up creeper.

Here is your MO, turn what you do to others back on them and then play the victim, and whine about others. Every thread you're involved in you do the exact same thing, and turn it into anything but constructive dialog. Your go to is everyone throws a tantrum, gaslighting them, and twisting others words to fit your narrative, and turning the dialog into something it wasn't. Congrats.

Posts 125,131,132,134,140, 152 a very important one, then comes post 163 then post 166 when confusion starts and I try to show a person how nieve they are up to the point you again stick your nose in on my posts without an invite. Here's the kicker post 167 someone else pointed him in the right direction to what I was alluding to yet it kept going becausehe couldn't grasp something simple. Even after post 171. 173 was there to show how he has actually broken the rule of having a full name applied which he would then be exposed, by what I'm saying all of us are exposed to. Reason being, he claimed he did no such thing for needing his full name here. Actually untrue. Not that I care or need to keep explaining myself to you or others that don't follow what is being relayed in honest dialog.

[SyrNy1960]

Please....

[Brent G.]

If an advanced alien civilization read some of these recent threads as an example of our civilization, they’d definitely just pass us by.

[JimC]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

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Every thread needs a card. I don't have a Jackson so this'll have to do.
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Oh, that'll do Phil. That'll do.

[frankbmd]

This thread still has 5000+ fewer views than the previous recent etiquette thread.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

If an advanced alien civilization read some of these recent threads as an example of our civilization, they’d definitely just pass us by.

On the other hand, if they read the T206 threads, or the "auction house question" threads, they'll be impressed.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by John1941

Which is just a quick and dirty formulation of what the FAQ states comprehensively. A summary of something doesn't supersede the full/rigorous formulation. The FAQ makes clear that it's only anonymous negative statements about a person or company that are verboten.

Here:
"Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball. However, you may remain private on the board; otherwise, as long your post is not argumentative, controversial, confrontational, accusatorial etc.…For example you can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private. You can not say someone is an imbecile, hard to deal with, gave poor service etc…and remain private on the board. In addition to that if your opinion is that you dislike someone, hate them, can’t stand or don’t like anything about them, and you want to tell the world about it on Net54baseball, then your full name will need to be in your post."

The original rules have not been updated since almost the beginning of this iteration of the forum. They will be. "Any" comment, is the correct verbiage and the rules wording will be amended asap.
Approximately 3-4 yrs ago, a major auction house (and advertiser) employee was shilling his own companies auctions, anonymously.That is when the rule changed and he and I had a chat about it.

Edit....The FAQs on the forum have now been updated and shortened a little bit.

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Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball.

If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it.

Members can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private.The moderator may put the members name on the forum or delete their posts, at their sole discretion, when this rule is not adhered to. Tense debates will require first and last names to be known, and made public. Names can be scrambled to be unsearchable, but they must be decipherable. Contact information will be given out for legal reasons or under extraordinary circumstances at the discretion of the moderator.. There are no age requirements on the forum however, you must be 18 years of age to participate in the Buy, Sell, Trade areas, or have a parent or legal guardian contact the moderator for approval first. Registered members may also receive periodic, infrequent, industry related emails. Members may opt out of these by clicking the unsubscribe button.[/B]

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[jayshum]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

This thread still has 5000+ fewer views than the previous recent etiquette thread.

It's only been 24 hours for this thread. Give it time.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

On the other hand, if they read the T206 threads, or the "auction house question" threads, they'll be impressed.

Aliens would wonder what was at the very core of the existence of this site, and imagine their surprise when they'd discover it all boiled down to men, mostly long dead, hitting little balls with sticks.

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Aliens would wonder what was at the very core of the existence of this site, and imagine their surprise when they'd discover it all boiled down to men, mostly long dead, hitting little balls with sticks.

And they'd marvel that the desire for an image of these dead men with balls and sticks could spark heated arguments and threats of legal action, as others watch the horror unfold.

[1952boyntoncollector]

used to be show called name that tune..

people could name a tune in 5 notes unless the contestant could believe they could name it in less based on a few hints.

for this post...the whole conflict could of been solved in under 20 posts...and all of the issues expressed .....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

used to be show called name that tune..

people could name a tune in 5 notes unless the contestant could believe they could name it in less based on a few hints.

for this post...the whole conflict could of been solved in under 20 posts...and all of the issues expressed .....

One of the greatest Honeymooner's episodes IMO was when Ralph goes on the show.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One of the greatest Honeymooner's episodes IMO was when Ralph goes on the show.

The show Ralph went on, IIRC, is the $99,000 Answer.

He chose music as his category

Rich

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

The show Ralph went on, IIRC, is the $99,000 Answer.

He chose music as his category

Rich

Ah OK same concept though. Was it not hysterical?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

If an advanced alien civilization read some of these recent threads as an example of our civilization, they’d definitely just pass us by.

The way things are going, they're probably going to do that anyway.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

...Not that I care or need to keep explaining myself...

But 16% of the posts in this thread, are yours.

And 13% of the posts you have ever made on net54 are in this thread.

35 posts.


I'm tempted to delete this post before I submit it (as referenced in the last post I made to the board) but sometimes I just can't stop myself for pointing out...

Doug (sometimes less than a) Goodman

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

But 16% of the posts in this thread, are yours.

And 13% of the posts you have ever made on net54 are in this thread.

35 posts.


I'm tempted to delete this post before I submit it (as referenced in the last post I made to the board) but sometimes I just can't stop myself for pointing out...

Doug (sometimes less than a) Goodman

Too late. Posterity.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Too late. Posterity.

Hahaha. I'm not sure that I have ever deleted a comment I made after I posted it, it's only before I post that I delete them.

I will admit being wrong when I am shown to be, but I seldom regret my words or deeds.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Hahaha. I'm not sure that I have ever deleted a comment I made after I posted it, it's only before I post that I delete them.

I will admit being wrong when I am shown to be, but I seldom regret my words or deeds.

Pretty sure you’re spot-on here

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

But 16% of the posts in this thread, are yours.

And 13% of the posts you have ever made on net54 are in this thread.

35 posts.


I'm tempted to delete this post before I submit it (as referenced in the last post I made to the board) but sometimes I just can't stop myself for pointing out...

Doug (sometimes less than a) Goodman

At least you have some sense of decorum and self-awareness

[frankbmd]

Don't we need a special FAQ rules section for aliens.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Don't we need a special FAQ rules section for aliens.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ah OK same concept though. Was it not hysterical?

Of all the 39, it's one of the very best if not the best. My favorite line though is when Norton tries to teach Ralph to play golf and they go "Hello, Ball"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Of all the 39, it's one of the very best if not the best. My favorite line though is when Norton tries to teach Ralph to play golf and they go "Hello, Ball"

The one where he gets into an accident on the way to receiving a safety award is up there.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Go back to the very old Full Count Board days (pre-Net 54) where that message board dissolved into a morass of name calling and the focus on vintage cards went away.

The rule, and it is in my opinion, is the posting of a real name if you make certain comments is one which has made this board stronger because if you say something you are, in a way, asked to back it up instead of just typing where no one knows who you are.

John, on this one, you frankly don't have a leg to stand on and there are ways to disguise your name with a symbol here and there. There are people on the board who do that which does help prevent the google searches. Look at how Vintage Vern and Brent G did their names as examples.

Regards
Rich

Who has always posted with his name on this board

Rich, absolutely correct. Upon legal advise that I faced a potential liability for sponsoring the forum, I felt it necessary to shut it before somebody got killed. Joking, of course, but things got nasty fast and vintage cards went somewhere else.
Leon, you and I talked about this many moons ago at the National.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Go back to the very old Full Count Board days (pre-Net 54) where that message board dissolved into a morass of name calling and the focus on vintage cards went away.

The rule, and it is in my opinion, is the posting of a real name if you make certain comments is one which has made this board stronger because if you say something you are, in a way, asked to back it up instead of just typing where no one knows who you are.

John, on this one, you frankly don't have a leg to stand on and there are ways to disguise your name with a symbol here and there. There are people on the board who do that which does help prevent the google searches. Look at how Vintage Vern and Brent G did their names as examples.

Regards
Rich

Who has always posted with his name on this board

Thanks Rich - I previously didn't understand the rule. Now that you've said that and Leon has updated the FAQ, I've added my full name in all its Italian-American splendor.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

If an advanced alien civilization read some of these recent threads as an example of our civilization, they’d definitely just pass us by.

Or see us in court.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Don't we need a special FAQ rules section for aliens.

Probing of any kind is not allowed.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I'm saying this isn't some private haven. It started because some tried to make it a point people don't want to publicly state I'll take it in the BST forum which is actually protected outside of members if I'm not mistaken unlike the main board.

That's the reasoning behind wanting to use the DM vs the original post in BST to buy items, and how many want to stay incognito.

I was then linked a post Showing your collections/room off to others by if im not mistaken John. which was kind of funny. It pops up on Google, and so did everyone and everything posted. Even the people that wouldn't show people, just actually showed people. If your name, and location are on your posts along with your bio, what you collect, what your looking for, who you've had the pleasure of buying or selling to, and from.

Yes, we can be found out easily from people not even here on the board. I didn’t look for John, I said I could if that was my want, and desire. Its not, but many of us aren't hard to gather info on to those that want to.

John's last name isn't at this time listed, but a simple board search shows he's dodged the bullet so far, because the email I received has exactly what I posted, and what is bolded at the top of each page.

The BST viewing changed about a yr ago. You don't have to be logged in to see it anymore. Of course, to post, you still have to either be a registered member or a scammer/troll. Watch out for the latter....

[gregndodgers]

My two cents from a contract law perspective. It appears to me that an important (I.e. “material”) payment term was not included in the seller’s initial BST post. Hence, his initial post was not an offer (which must include all material terms) that could be accepted (to form an actual agreement) with a simple “I will take it.” So seller is free to negotiate with anyone he wants, and sell to the first buyer able to satisfy all material terms. In other words, seller has no obligation to wait for any potential buyers to get back to him.

With all that said, there is a lot of confusion because contract law principles are not being followed on this board. I tried to warn some with my posts in that other thread. For example, some here believe the words “I will take it” seals the deal and binds the parties. That’s not always the case.

The key is the wording on the seller’s initial post. Does it leave out any material terms? If so, it’s not an offer. It’s an invitation to negotiate, and the buyer who is fastest to complete the deal gets the prize.

EDIT: for the layman, a term is “material” in a contract when it’s a condition that if not met, is a deal breaker for either party.

[Republicaninmass]

Any succesful lawsuits against ebay sellers and their "pricing mistakes"? If so, it could lead to a precedent, without it, I doubt anyone would feel obligated to keep their word, even if over a few lousy bucks.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by gregndodgers

My two cents from a contract law perspective. It appears to me that an important (I.e. “material”) payment term was not included in the seller’s initial BST post. Hence, his initial post was not an offer (which must include all material terms) that could be accepted (to form an actual agreement) with a simple “I will take it.” So seller is free to negotiate with anyone he wants, and sell to the first buyer able to satisfy all material terms. In other words, seller has no obligation to wait for any potential buyers to get back to him.

With all that said, there is a lot of confusion because contract law principles are not being followed on this board. I tried to warn some with my posts in that other thread. For example, some here believe the words “I will take it” seals the deal and binds the parties. That’s not always the case.

The key is the wording on the seller’s initial post. Does it leave out any material terms? If so, it’s not an offer. It’s an invitation to negotiate, and the buyer who is fastest to complete the deal gets the prize.

EDIT: for the layman, a term is “material” in a contract when it’s a condition that if not met, is a deal breaker for either party.

You should post these legal critiques directly in BST threads. “This transaction between hobby friends violates contract law principles!” Cue Debbie Downer and the muted trombone.

[gregndodgers]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

You should post these legal critiques directly in BST threads. “This transaction between hobby friends violates contract law principles!” Cue Debbie Downer and the muted trombone.

This particular transaction was fine ~ nothing was violated except the expectation of the buyer (due to the reasons I stated).

[D. Bergin]

Sadly for me, the stuff I post for sale isn’t in demand enough to spark legal arguments by prospective buyers, over who gets to buy it and who doesn’t.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Sadly for me, the stuff I post for sale isn’t in demand enough to spark legal arguments by prospective buyers, over who gets to buy it and who doesn’t.

Welcome to the club, I'm happy when I get one buyer.