T206 Honus Wagner - Not For Sale

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Hey everyone,

I want to apologize. I made a mistake and the card is not for sale. I should not have posted anything and I apologize again.

Thanks,

Dylan

[Sean]

Please show us a scan.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Dylan

[Luke]

[Sean]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I can send you an email and you post it. I do not know how to post images on forums like this lol

My email is T206@att.net

[charlietheexterminator]

The gentleman sent me the pic, here it is, 715K and it’s yours.

[Sean]

It's the #4 Wagner in the T206resource Wagner gallery.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by charlietheexterminator

The gentleman sent me the pic, here it is, 715K and it’s yours.

Darn the luck. I just cashed out my 401k to buy a PMG Jordan green. C’est la vie.

But welcome to the Board, and good luck with the sale.

[ezez420]

It’s lasted for over a year. So yeah lasted long.


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[Yastrzemski Sports]

Here it is.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...6-wagner-sale/

[bigtrain]

Just curious as to what part was altered and how you reverse a restoration.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

You don’t reverse an alteration. That’s why it is graded A. Because the reversal didn’t fool psa.

I might want to refer the op to a major auction house to sell his items - most of the items listed are auction worthy and there are plenty of links on this site to find them.

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Just curious as to what part was altered and how you reverse a restoration.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Because the reversal didn’t fool psa.

Now now, we all know the only person who can fool PSA is Bill Mastro...

[823dek]

I wouldn't purchase regular cards with these corners graded 1-1.5. There is no way on earth (though several are graded as such) that the paper disappears over the years, if so then why would so many look that much better get numbers. The ONLY way that this happens is that the card is beveled with a file to make each consistent (which is dumb) AND ALTERING or cut in a small stop sign shape and the edges conform to that over the years....none in my collection

[ezez420]

My bad 4+ years.


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[KMayUSA6060]

I just want to be able to say I commented on a T206 Wagner For Sale thread.

[TUM301]

Trades ?

[Smanzari]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I just want to be able to say I commented on a T206 Wagner For Sale thread.

You know what, this is history, me too!

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I just want to be able to say I commented on a T206 Wagner For Sale thread.

Me too. Wow.

[xplainer]

Jason Mars?

Ok, after reading the whole thread, everyone thinks this is a legit listing.
So, I withdraw, but leave posted, my comment.

[mrvster]

restored......then unrestored....

I have been following this card for almost 5 years.....

its been worked 2 x over......

[SetBuilder]

Maybe it's because I'm super cynical and skeptical about everything, but how do you have such an expensive card and not know how to take a picture or scan of it? It's 2019 and you certainly must have deep pockets and resources, no? It's not hard to take a picture of a card. Sorry to be a jerk.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Once again, I apologize the card is not for sale.

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Hey everyone. Sorry for not taking better pictures if someone is interested I will. Again, the part that got restored was the original owner wanted to fix the yellow paint on the top of the card, but then after he saw the altered rating he removed it. So the card we have now is original and it looks amazing. A PSA 2 Wagner sells for 900k+ now, and this card would be a PSA 2. Also, the reason we have had the card for so long is because we have not been trying to shop it. Again, we had a retail store gottahaveit! and the card was perfect for eye candy, we also went to a lot of shows. After 25 years, the retail store had to be closed so now we are trying to activity shop it. This is a great investment because Wagners are just getting more and more expensive.

You own a large music memorabilia auction house with it's own website and social media accounts and you can't even post a scan of the Wagner you're selling from a new account? Your company is closed, but why are you still accepting consignments for your next auction?

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Maybe I’m having a hard time understanding. You sent a photo to another member which the Wagner was graded Authentic and in an older psa holder. Then you are saying that the original owner removed it from the holder to remove the paint. This was listed for sale by you about 5 years ago from the scd link. So is it currently in a psa holder or was it removed from the holder? Because if this card was removed from the case then it is actually a raw card. And if it was done before you purchased it then you may have a fake card with a real label. Just trying to clarify because the story is a little unclear.

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Hey everyone. Sorry for not taking better pictures if someone is interested I will. Again, the part that got restored was the original owner wanted to fix the yellow paint on the top of the card, but then after he saw the altered rating he removed it. So the card we have now is original and it looks amazing. A PSA 2 Wagner sells for 900k+ now, and this card would be a PSA 2. Also, the reason we have had the card for so long is because we have not been trying to shop it. Again, we had a retail store gottahaveit! and the card was perfect for eye candy, we also went to a lot of shows. After 25 years, the retail store had to be closed so now we are trying to activity shop it. This is a great investment because Wagners are just getting more and more expensive.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought he was giving the history of the card prior to it grading Authentic.

[Leon]

I just spoke with the seller (Dylan) on the phone for a few/several minutes. I think he is selling what he says he is, maybe some of the things are on consignment. As I don't personally know him I can't vouch for him but he seems legit to me. If anyone buys the Wags please don't just send a money orde for 700k > DO your due diligence but he seems fine to me,. Good luck, Dylan.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

It says “after he saw the altered rating he removed it”. The photo shown of the card in the holder has damage to the edges of the holder. I’m thinking this is a raw card.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I thought he was giving the history of the card prior to it grading Authentic.

[ullmandds]

if owner "added paint"...then removed...the card is altered...imo?

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

if owner "added paint"...then removed...the card is altered...imo?

100%. Once a card has been altered there is no way to unalter it.


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[ullmandds]

additionally it appears the owner of the card is a card doctor?

[trdcrdkid]

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

[ullmandds]

seriously! trying to sell a card for $750K with no scans...really?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

seriously! trying to sell a card for $750K with no scans...really?

Or last name. Just "Dylan."

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

Card is not for sale I apologize

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

At first I thought this meant that the card was reslabbed recently, but now I see that the reslabbing happened years ago. The 2014 Sports Collectors Daily article linked to by Adam Y. in post 11 of this thread depicts the Wagner in the same slab, and it says, "The last known sale of this particular Wagner card was through Mastro Auctions in 2010 for $219,225. It was restored many years ago, but the restoration was later reversed."

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

Ok, so you have a graded copy of the most iconic baseball card in the world, which you would like to sell to someone for more than twice the value of my house. But you don't have time to respond to questions or craft a reasonable or intelligent sounding summary of the card's provenance which does not lead to tons of follow-up questions. Okie dok.

Also - sale price here is $715K but in Rich's article $450K?

At a minimum some high-res scans would be in order to be taken seriously. Those that I've seen so far in this forum suck.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by biggsdaddycool

100%. Once a card has been altered there is no way to unalter it.


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Why is that the case? If whatever was added to the card has been removed such that there is no remaining trace, why should going forward the card continue to be regarded as altered? Or is the comment meant to mean that as a practical matter, it is impossible to so completely remove what was added that there will always remain traces?

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Or is the comment meant to mean that as a practical matter, it is impossible to so completely remove what was added that there will always remain traces?

This, I would think. Undoing "paint" is going to leave some traces of paint or damage regardless on a very thin and delicate, 100+ year old piece of cardboard.

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

This, I would think. Undoing "paint" is going to leave some traces of paint or damage regardless on a very thin and delicate, 100+ year old piece of cardboard.

My point exactly.


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[ezez420]

I will say I saw the card in person at the store. Yes it exists.


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[Throttlesteer]

If nothing else, it's cool to see. It's not another Grandpa's attic find, sick patch, unknown authenticity, own-a-piece-of-history, feels old card.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

I am going to post more pictures later today

[Yastrzemski Sports]

The problem is that the op failed to follow the 7 p’s: Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. The T206 Wagner and Joe Jackson gamer are holy grails. Probably a good first step is to contact Leon to see if it’s ok to post such a magnificent and expensive item on the board. Have him back you and verify the item and list properly with all the details. Then instead of questions and doubt he would be getting oohs and aahs and probably a couple of legit offers. You throw them out without doing your due diligence (or even a photo) and then tell some confusing story about the card being painted and cracked our of the holder and you get what you get. When you are representing items of such importance you have to bring your A-Game. Now would be a good time for a do-over. Try that again like you have a million dollar listing - because you do.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

The problem is that the op failed to follow the 7 p’s: Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. The T206 Wagner and Joe Jackson gamer are holy grails. Probably a good first step is to contact Leon to see if it’s ok to post such a magnificent and expensive item on the board. Have him back you and verify the item and list properly with all the details. Then instead of questions and doubt he would be getting oohs and aahs and probably a couple of legit offers. You throw them out without doing your due diligence (or even a photo) and then tell some confusing story about the card being painted and cracked our of the holder and you get what you get. When you are representing items of such importance you have to bring your A-Game. Now would be a good time for a do-over. Try that again like you have a million dollar listing - because you do.

Agreed.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

The problem is that the op failed to follow the 7 p’s: Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. The T206 Wagner and Joe Jackson gamer are holy grails. Probably a good first step is to contact Leon to see if it’s ok to post such a magnificent and expensive item on the board. Have him back you and verify the item and list properly with all the details. Then instead of questions and doubt he would be getting oohs and aahs and probably a couple of legit offers. You throw them out without doing your due diligence (or even a photo) and then tell some confusing story about the card being painted and cracked our of the holder and you get what you get. When you are representing items of such importance you have to bring your A-Game. Now would be a good time for a do-over. Try that again like you have a million dollar listing - because you do.

yup!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Post 19

, the reason we have had the card for so long is because we have not been trying to shop it. Again, we had a retail store gottahaveit! and the card was perfect for eye candy, we also went to a lot of shows. After 25 years, the retail store had to be closed so now we are trying to activity shop it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Post 21

The card is under consignment yes, as we know a lot of people and for the right price we have some amazing items that the same guy would sell.

If I were Leon I would consider following Blowout, at this point.

[orly57]

How about the statement that: “ The owner is one of the best experts in Sports in the world.” There is NO WAY that one of the “best experts” would not be known by at least a few of the guys on this forum. Perhaps he can give us a name. Though he didn’t say “expert in sports CARDS.” Interesting omission perhaps.

Peter, I’m with everything you’ve had to say on this topic. The story doesn’t match. But if they really have had this card consigned to them for all of these years, the consignor is getting royally screwed. The right thing to do here is to advise the rightful owner consign to REA or HA. They failed in their half-ass efforts to sell this person’s card. Of course, they would never do this, but it would be the right thing to do.

We have broken every BST rule in the book. This may be a decent exception.