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About soaking cards
Posted By: Dan KOteles
you are an achieved educator. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
"Brooklyn. We have our own language." |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Barry |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Max- I was measuring it in terms of looniness. Threads that go into triple digits usually involve a controversial topic. For something as benign as a dinner get-together to end like it did was the most bizarre thread we ever had. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The EPDG.....thread has 362 posts and there is not a single "looney" post (to use your adjective) |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- fair point. Not all long threads involve fighting, but many do. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Here is a very interesting non-technical site with information on preservation of paper items: |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I agree with Adam wholeheartedly. You can remove cards from an album without looking over your shoulder to see if PSA or SGC approves. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
The problem that I have with adopting conservation principles from the art world to the card hobby is that in the art world, in a lot of cases, you're dealing with a one-of-a-kind item. In the card hobby, you're dealing with (usually) one of many examples of a card, where their value relative to one another is based on condition. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Hey Guys, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
But Al- I will repeat the same thing I have been saying throughout this thread: what if you simply prefer to take the cards out because you don't choose to have them in a scrapbook? I am not advocating trimming, pressing, dry cleaning, simonizing, or any other nefarious practice. One might simply prefer to have them loose rather than glued in. It's no more complicated than that. The issue seems to be that someone might try to sneak them past the grading service and get the cards encapsulated. That's a separate issue. Not everybody likes their cards glued onto pages. Removing them is a time tested practice. It's no big deal. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Barry, in the middle of my verbosity, I said that I didn't have a problem with it, either. Sometimes my words trip over one another in their rush to get out of my brain and thus become more difficult to understand. |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Nothing new to add . . . I just wanted to see if could get the last post on this thread. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, maybe the last post at 6:24 pm. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jeff- it's quite easy. First, ask each New Yorker who wants to attend to list his five favorite restaurants. Then from that group of seventy different, all we have to do is get everybody to agree on one of them. Shouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
1. del posto |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
there aren't 5 good restaurants to pick from |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Barry, I'm feeling a lot of pressure regarding this request for 5 restaurants. I'm thinking you're really jamming this down my throat. Next thing you'll ask me to consider a weekend for this dinner. You NYers are all the same! |
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Posted By: Griffins
<<<we'd have so much easier of a time in LA |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Yes Jeff, we've come full circle. |
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Posted By: Judson Hamlin
Barry, your sarcasm is dripping through my computer screen... but if it helps hijack the thread: |
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Posted By: Mike
I just returned home from New York over the weekend. An excellent place for y'all to go is to Accapella on Chambers Street, pricey and sort of small, but excellent Northern Italian food. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Barry, based on the past few posts, we are very, very close to melding the NY dinner thread with the soaking thread. If this is accomplished, I'm afraid the universe might blow up. |
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Posted By: leon
Can we have backbone for dinner? |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Let's all go to Grey's Papaya for a hot dog and a banana smoothie. Best restaurant in the city, as far as I'm concerned. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
...here is the official post where we merge the two threads... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Leon, the backbone is the PSA 5 part of the cow. We will only accept PSA 8 and up parts of the animal. |
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Posted By: DMcD
Any truth to the rumour that Bonds uses steroids? |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
"each bring a common T206 beater" |
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Posted By: Max Weder
And of course, "soaking" was a way to get an out in the Massachusetts game, which of course did not find favor in the 19th baseball wars http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ruletown.shtml |
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Posted By: JK
Its awfully presumptuous of you to think that we will just hop on a plane and come to New York for a dinner. How about a little consideration for the rest of us who arent privileged enough to reside in the NY. You can make it up by arranging for a dinner in each state. |
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Posted By: Jerry Hrechka
My passion is NonSports. If you want to build PSA Sets, the real challenge is not in just opening your checkbook and buying cards that have been already graded. Find the cards raw and submitt them. Nothing sweeter than scoring a top graded card. Here are just a few of my submissions: |
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Posted By: Bob
I created this monster of a thread when I asked about the removal of a foreign object from the back of a card I had just purchased. I had no idea of the firestorm it would cause. I doubt if many will even read this as they probably gave up on the thread a long time ago. I just want to say one thing: I soaked one card to remove the foreign object which did not exist when the card was produced. I am not aware of any other cards in my collection which have been soaked or altered, but then again I do not own any PSA 8s or 9s or SGC 88s or 92s in prewar cards. If I did, I would then own cards I knew had probably been soaked or altered. I own cards like an M116 Walter Johnson which looks exmt but has notebook paper on the back and was so slabbed by me and got a horrible grade. Such is the reality of things. |
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Posted By: steve f
Congrats to Mrs T and yourself. Have fun in Lost Wages, you rascal. |
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Posted By: John S
Congrats Bob...I think most of us agree with your sentiments regarding the hobby. The backbone of the hobby should be the 10-year old buying cards at the local drug store. |
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Posted By: WP
I agree with Al, Grays can't be beat. 2 dogs and a papaya $2.50. |
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Posted By: Rich Klein
Now I'm wistfully back at 72 and Broadway (or close enough) and can smell the hot dogs. Shoot, I'd take a knish from a street vendor |
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Posted By: Richard
I finally carved an hour out of my life that I would never get back to sit down and read this thread. |
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Posted By: Greg
Wow, what an interesting thread. |
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Posted By: Max Weder
As Greg has done, I have engaged paper conservators to restore paper (in my case books, especially dust jackets.) When I sell a restored book, I always make full and complete disclosure of the restoration work that has been done. |
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Posted By: joe brennan
I just want the thread to continue. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
I think the last post by Joe Brennan of his EL Principe De Gales illustrates exactly what makes me cringe about soaking. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
This is the thread that doesn't end |
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Posted By: joe brennan
To answer the questions about the card that had paper removed. The difference you are seeing in the corners or edges are because the build up of paper left gaps when I scanned the card. In other words, the corners were farther from the surface of the scanner and when the paper was removed it now lays dowmn flat on the scanner. As you can see by my Evers pic, my scanner sucks but its good enough for me since I am not a frequent seller of cards. I pressed the card between books to remove water and if it layed down some fiber, than it layed down some fiber. I still see nothing wrong with taking paper or glue off the back. Joe |
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Posted By: leon
A little more work and I think I can get it into a PSA8 for you and have the demand go up by 5 people....might have to submit it a dozen times but it's worth it....Then we can be the backbone of the hobby too.......Oh the joy |
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Posted By: JK
I dont believe that there is any evidence that this card was trimmed or "worked on" other than the removal of the paper. Looks fine to me. |
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Posted By: greg
Joe, |
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Posted By: T206Collector
Now this historical artificat can be treasured the way it was meant to be enjoyed. |
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Posted By: JK
Hey Leon - my response wasnt aimed at your comment (I understood yours to be a joke). Sorry that wasnt clear. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: sagard
Wasn't a rebacking job that fooled some well known grading company foiled by someone who decided to soak the card and prove it? |
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