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"PWCC will officially cease working with any individual who has a proven track record of consistently hurting trust in the marketplace, the brand of PWCC, or the reputations of the grading companies upon which our market is based." It's simply an admission to "working with" which could mean a lot of things. If I told you "I'm going to stop working with drug dealers, money launderers, and human traffickers" would that imply that I was involved in any of that? It would sure sound like it, huh? But then what if I told you I was a parole officer? That would change the context of my statement, right? Do you see where I'm going here? |
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My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/ He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt. Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 05-16-2019 at 03:40 PM. |
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My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/ He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt. |
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If anybody gets a ruptured spleen as a result of this ongoing controversy, I accept most insurance or clean cold cash.
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FRANK:BUR:KETT - RAUCOUS SPORTS CARD FORUM MEMBER AND MONSTER NUMBER FATHER. GOOD FOR THE HOBBY AND THE FORUM WITH A VAULT IN AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION FILLED WITH NON-FUNGIBLES 274/1000 Monster Number Nearly*1000* successful B/S/T transactions completed from 2012 to 2024. Over 680 sales with satisfied Board members served. If you want fries with your order, just speak up. Thank you all. Now nearly PQ. Last edited by frankbmd; 05-16-2019 at 04:42 PM. |
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My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/ He is available to do custom drawings in graphite, charcoal and other media. He also sells some of his works as note cards/greeting cards on Etsy under JamesSpaethArt. Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 05-16-2019 at 04:43 PM. |
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Reimbursement for esophagectomies is more profitable.
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for once we agree, lol
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Dont forget you just so happen to be from Oregon.
Let the conspiracies build! Sure PSA graders on the take, Mosers cards must go to that grader every time out of thousands of cards. Maybe puts a smiley face on the box, or slides a ben Franklin in the card saver. This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracies I've seen posted a bit PSA. Multi million dollar public company, not noticing an hourly employee pass one guys bad cards
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complete LIAR, IMHO. Body language tells the whole story, choking on his own words. I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell.
Rule of Engagement LOL. Enjoy your exceptional trimmed cards from PWCC. I'm betting half of everything PWCC sells is just regurgitated cards that spin around in cases after being DOCTORED. I want to try and be fair and open but this is ridiculous. This is so much deeper than we know. I almost feel like paying someone on BO to check every one of their cards, just for fun. You have done nothing but harm, IMHO I have a 52 Mantle I would like you to spoon out the crease. Can you help? Last edited by Fuddjcal; 05-19-2019 at 02:51 PM. |
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Let's see a list of cards consigned by card doctors.
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Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
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Brent obviously hasn’t hired a criminal lawyer because no competent one would have let him do that. Very similar to Doug Allen: is convinced he’s smarter than everyone he’s defrauding and refuses to keep his mouth shut, insisting upon trying to lie his way out of this. Which of course will come back to bite him. I’m guessing Brent’s very nervous body language had to do with his belief that law enforcement was watching.
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Brent announced during the PSA show on Wednesday that he's breaking ground on a second vault, and that the current one is scheduled to open a week from now. He keeps doubling down.
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I watched a little bit of it so far. He elaborates on what conservation is and how it is when you can't tell that something has been done to the card. If you can tell something was done then it's altering. My questions are as follows:
1. If you can't tell something was done to the card, then what is the debate about which it is (Conserved or Altered) since you can't see it anyway. 2. What about when collectors like those on BO prove the card has been trimmed or worked on? Isn't that now alteration per Brent's own words in the video? He's digging a deeper and deeper hole here. Andy Huntoon
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I am very interested to see the effect this has on the consignments and prices brought in the next few pwcc auctions. Thoughts?
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I think it will take a lot more to slow down the train than is out there so far. I doubt most buyers are even aware of recent events. Stuff and flips will prevail.
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Unfortunately Ryan, I don't think it will change the prices realized by PWCC auctions much. The vast majority of bidders in their auctions don't follow this story and aren't going to fall into this youtube video by accident. They will continue to bid like crazy. IMHO.
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Precisely Peter. How long until there is a PWCC registry to compete with PSA where their stickers come into play. You can invest in assets, keep them in the Vault to save on sales tax, still see your cards in the virtual world from the registry and then sell your assets from the Vault when you want to cash in.
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I am not sure I agree- there are a lot of eyes on this board and it’s all the rage on other boards. I think there will be some effect; maybe people will limit their bidding to only the “must haves” on pwcc for a while (bc stuff does trump all). I guess we will find out soon enough.
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One of the blowout guys says he found that Moser bought 200 NM-MT 1952-1970s cards on eBay from Greg Morris Cards. So all cards through PWCC should basically be suspect at this point. They claimed they were going to remove cards from their auctions from known fraudsters, but that doesn't seem to be happening.
All those loyal bidders who don't read message boards would notice if wide swaths of the auction lots were suddenly cancelled. Many should also be getting notified by PWCC when they already purchased a card determined to be trimmed or consigned by a known scammer. Forbes (Seideman) has been suspiciously silent about the matter. Maybe it doesn't jive with their promotional tour for sports collectibles. But hey, everything's hunky-dory. Let's break ground on another vault...
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Convinced half their sales are going to card doctors, or back to the consignors. Funny, no trimmed cards sold, albeit one bought, from probstein.
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Going off the rails on the crazy train!
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I hope that everyone who is returning cards to Brent and other auctionhouses that bought through eBay start a return through eBay or through PayPal.
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-- PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head PSA: Regularly Get Cheated BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern SGC: Closed auto authentication business JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC Oh, what a difference a year makes. |
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Bingo! Somehow poor old Brent is just unlucky. All the fraud goes through him.
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