(don't jump in on because it's political) Jim Bunning (on BB HOF'ers vs. politicians) - Page 4

Archive · #**151** 03-07-2009, 12:34 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Of course that's Ted Williams. How silly of me.

I've never seen a Fatima premium, Frank, but I would definitely put that in some sort of frame.

-Al

Archive · #**152** 03-07-2009, 12:42 PM

Posted By: Michael Steele

The T-3 is Johnny Kling. Wow, nice T200 premium. The first I have also seen. Did they make premiums for all of the teams in the set?

Archive · #**153** 03-07-2009, 01:13 PM

Posted By: JimCrandell

Funny--our resident anarchist gets about the worst ranking of the entire staff and blames it on that he is teaching physics--those poor poor students.

Archive · #**154** 03-07-2009, 01:15 PM

Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Better, guys. Impressive!!

4)
6)
8) ***Peter ID's John M. Ward, an N172 HOFer.
15) the other half ***Dan ID's Ted Williams, who was mentioned in the
original post. That photo's always troubled me, some say Musial was
6'0", and Williams 6'3", looks like Ted is on his tippytoes.
16)
19)
20) ****Michael's correct on the T3, that's Cub's catcher Kling.

so that leaves::

4) hint, not quite a ZeeNut
6) hint, a Nashville player (and maybe too obscure for anyone)
16) hint, a Cub from an early tobacco issue
19) hint, pastel, NL team

Archive · #**155** 03-07-2009, 01:18 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Hey guys....that is not just a T200 Fatima premium of Cleveland......

That is Joe Jackson's "biggest" card !

T-Rex TED

Archive · #**156** 03-07-2009, 01:21 PM

Posted By: Frank Wakefield

And my T200 premium was in a frame, that's how I bought it. Four pieces of wood, cut to fit around the T200. 1" nails in the back, holding it in place. No glass. No backing. Just T200 plus wood plus nails. You can see where the nails wore grooves into the border. The premium was exposed to lots of smoke and humidity over the years. It is a bit warped from the humidity, which put pressure on it where the nails touched. It isn't perfectly flat. It's well worn. And it is a real T200 premium which makes up for its faults.

My understanding is that some premiums were made of all teams.

Maybe someone with access to cardpricer could tell us the last time there was a sale of a Cleveland Americans T200 premium.

Archive · #**157** 03-07-2009, 01:25 PM

Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Right, Ted.

Joe Jackson standing on the left, between the manager and the team, as
tall as your hand.

When viewed in person you can easily see Jackson's belt buckle set off
to his left a bit, not centered with the fastening of his pants. As most
know players did that so the buckle wouldn't cut their belly if they
were sliding belly down.

Archive · #**158** 03-07-2009, 01:33 PM

Posted By: Anonymous

Home Run Kisses? No idea what player.

Archive · #**159** 03-07-2009, 01:37 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

Crandell, do you even know what an anarchist is?

Oh those poor, poor investors.

Archive · #**160** 03-07-2009, 01:47 PM

Posted By: Richard Simon

He ran out of things to call you David so he decided to pluck out of the air a word that he heard on Limbaugh one day. The definition was not relevant, Rush told him to use it.

==

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Unknown author

--

We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.

No retreat baby, no surrender.

The Boss

Archive · #**161** 03-07-2009, 01:53 PM

Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Good job, Peter... way to focus the noise!!!

4) hint, not quite a ZeeNut **** Pop Dillon, Home Run Kisses

so that now leaves these 3

6) hint, a Nashville player (and maybe too obscure for anyone)
16) hint, a Cub from an early tobacco issue
19) hint, pastel, NL team

And just to be a persistent pain, I'm working on another table of stuff.

FW

Archive · #**162** 03-07-2009, 01:57 PM

Posted By: Michael Steele

#19
1936 R312---Cubs team players

I collect Red Sox but just happen to have this one in the ol collection.

L/R Augie Galen, Billy Herman, Fred Lindstom, Gabby Harnett, Frank Demaree, Phil Cavaretta (a favorite of my Dad), Stan Hack, Billy Jurges and Chuck Klein.

Okay, now I have to add a T200 premium Red Sox team (if I can ever find one) to my want list.

Archive · #**163** 03-07-2009, 02:04 PM

Posted By: Joe D.

"Jeff, the day you give up your lucrative practice of keeping drug dealers and murderers (who you know are guilty) on the streets (and rationalizing what you do with that self-serving crap you spout), and go work for the ACLU is the day I'll have a bit of respect for you. "

I can't read this entire thread.
I tried to from the bottom up and see where it is headed.... and eventually stopped at this point.

David - I would like to say - whether it is Jeff or anyone else.....
I believe very strongly in the system of justice we have in this country. I think it to be one of the best on the planet.
A very very big reason this is so is the willingness of legal professionals to with all of their ernest defend the drug dealer / murderer/ and those you 'know' are guilty in a court of law.

While many look down on defense lawyers who take on these cases....
I find it to be an incredibly honorable and important part of our society.

You may not like Jeff.... but I don't see the reason to demean the american system of justice along the way.
I would hate to live in a country where there were no lawyers who would vehemently defend those who society might loathe.

Archive · #**164** 03-07-2009, 02:08 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

For $500/hour.

It's the ACLU, and lawyers like them, who take on the unpopular causes.

(Even if it's defending neo-Nazis right to demonstrate.)

Archive · #**165** 03-07-2009, 02:10 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

FRANK W

Of all these people posting here, I think only you and I are the only ones that have had
personally met and talked with Jim Bunning for any amount of time. Yet, all these others
have formed an opinion of him.

Thanks, for the diversionary relief from all this "negativism" with your impressive array of
cards.

However....the two "useful idiots", that only "pop in" when they smell controversy and stir
up the rest of us, have not ceased and desisted with their usual acrimony.

Their modus-operandi emulates one of their current role models, Raum Emanuel....who had
the audacity to in effect say....."that the Dems must exploit the current economic crisis".

Archive · #**166** 03-07-2009, 02:12 PM

Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Powerful, Michael... those are the Cubs!!!

That leaves,

6) I just realized my hint was wrong.
Al had Red Sun, so I'll give him credit for that. It's Dick Bayless, of
Atlanta. He played in 19 games for Cincinnati in 1908. He had a good
minor league career, over 2000 hits.

16) Cubs and early tobacco weren't enough???
That's Ed Reulbach, on a T222 Fatima. Gotta love T222s!!

Archive · #**167** 03-07-2009, 02:16 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

Of course, Ted, Republicans would never stoop to that level. They'd never do anything like, say, exploiting 9/11.

And while we're being consistent, how about all those, like Lichtman, and Crandell, and the Group (and you), with their strong opinions about Obama.

I'm sure ya'll have spent tons of time chatting with Barack.

Archive · #**168** 03-07-2009, 02:17 PM

Posted By: Richard Simon

When they run out of things to say, they resort to name calling, another disciple of the rotund drug addict.
==

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
Unknown author
--
We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.
No retreat baby, no surrender.
The Boss

Archive · #**169** 03-07-2009, 02:18 PM

Posted By: Joe D.

David....

I didn't say anything against the ACLU.

And, I don't care about the level of compensation whether high or low for any person.

What I am saying is....
the cornerstone of this country's system of justice (which is probably the best on the planet) is the willingness of legal professionals to vehemently defend people who are loathed by society.

You don't like Jeff. I get that / and honestly don't care one way or the other on that. I just don't think you need to demean every defense lawyer in the country because you do not like Jeff.

If I heard someone demean the teaching profession because they did not like you, I would post a similar message.

Archive · #**170** 03-07-2009, 02:22 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

Joe, I'm not demeaning every criminal defense lawyer.

Go to Lichtman's web page, and get it straight from the horse's mouth. Let him tell you the cases he is proudest of.

Archive · #**171** 03-07-2009, 02:23 PM

Posted By: Bob Pomilla

"Their modus-operandi emulates one of their current role models, Raum Emanuel....who had
the audacity to in effect say....."that the Dems must exploit the current economic crisis"."

Good one, Ted. But credit where it's due. Earlier, that was the m.o. Bush/Cheney used in exploiting 9-11 to go after Saddam Hussein, correct?

Archive · #**172** 03-07-2009, 02:23 PM

Posted By: Joe D.

"Joe, I'm not demeaning every criminal defense lawyer. "

I must have misread then. My apologies.

Archive · #**173** 03-07-2009, 02:26 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

David, you are a truly scary, angry, delusional person. Just as you know nothing about the financial markets you know nothing about the legal system. So now your beef is with lawyers that make money? And defending neo-Nazis is ok but not those charged with crimes in our country? You're a great liberal who hates the justice system -- especially if someone is making more money than you while doing it. Makes a lot of sense. Admit it, how much would you love me if I defended a terrorist charged with killing Americans? (Let me guess: you'd love me but only if I took no fee.)

I also find it hilarious that you think you'd have done just swell in law school. I'm sure you'd also have made an incredible lawyer as you are truly logical, persuasive and likeable. I can see you now in front of a jury just crushing the ball. Unless courts allowed attorneys to bring large caliber weapons into court and wave them before juries, you'd lose every single case you ever tried. Jurors would be vomiting into bags as you went off on your hateful, insane, imbalanced rants. Yes, you'd be a superstar, no question.

Archive · #**174** 03-07-2009, 02:31 PM

Posted By: Richard Simon

Ted's quote --
Raum Emanuel....who had
the audacity to in effect say....."that the Dems must exploit the current economic crisis"."

Ted - What exactly did he say? Not your interpretation Ted, (audacity to in effect), but what he actually said would be useful.
=

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
Unknown author
--
We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.
No retreat baby, no surrender.
The Boss

Archive · #**175** 03-07-2009, 02:33 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

OK Jeff.

I'm "scary and angry"? I rant?

Have you ever listened to your own radio show?

Archive · #**176** 03-07-2009, 02:35 PM

Posted By: Anonymous

Rule one: Never allow a crisis to go to waste, Mr. Emanuel said in an interview on Sunday. They are opportunities to do big things.

Archive · #**177** 03-07-2009, 02:40 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

David, before you removed that last brilliant line you wrote I'd like at least Peter to have a chance to comment. You wrote "how could Obama be as big of a ***** as you claim he is considering he edited the Harvard Law Review and was a Constitutional Law professor?"

And I knew you were a closet fan of mine. How insane does it make you that the most listened-to talk radio station in the country asks me to fill in all the time? I'm sure if only you had the chance to get before that mic...you'd just crush the ball.

Archive · #**178** 03-07-2009, 02:41 PM

Posted By: Richard Simon

Peter - is the interview with Emanuel and that quote , somewhere I can see it?
Thanks.
=

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
Unknown author
--
We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.
No retreat baby, no surrender.
The Boss

Archive · #**179** 03-07-2009, 02:43 PM

Posted By: Anonymous

I actually went to the site and Jeff is correct.

David, economics, biology, chemistry, anthropology, sciences.....all well above you across the board and I don't recall any of those subjects being popular or easy. Its one thing not to be popular or to have some students not like a tough professor but I'd have to say your scraping the bottom of the barrel. Maybe been doing the same thing too long....

And how can you support the aclu but not other defense lawyers? Seems to me that the ACLU would want everyone to have access to good defense lawyers.

Sounds to me that your career got off to a great start but somewhere along the line it stagnated for whatever reason and now your playing out the string...........however congrats for being in a position to be able to do that.

David bolotin

Archive · #**180** 03-07-2009, 02:46 PM

Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen

Shouldn't we all laud Obama's performance so far? Where's the rub? OK, he's kind of struck out on the "hope" thing - but he HAS brought "change." That's one out of two - or a .500 average. I don't know what sabermetrics you guys subscribe to, but that's Hall of Fame in my book!

To the Cali Cartel moutnpiece (as some here would assert) - if you took your rate down to $495/hr, maybe the class warriors would get off your case. Or maybe you could represent the accused terrorists at $500/hr and handle the drug dealers and murders pro bono.

Archive · #**181** 03-07-2009, 02:46 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

No, I wouldn't, Jeff. I'm just not capable of spewing hate and vitriol into a mic for hours on end.

Being on WAMC Talk Radio is really something to be proud of.

Like being valedictorian in summer school.

A fan? Hardly.

Just giving in to curiosity.

Until the nausea was just too much.

Archive · #**182** 03-07-2009, 02:48 PM

Posted By: Dan Bretta

Letsgobucs, you need to put your name on your post if you want to make personal comments in this thread. Thanks.

Archive · #**183** 03-07-2009, 02:53 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

David...like Bucs said, something went horribly wrong with you. For the most unpopular Assistant Professor of Physics on the planet you sure know how the world is supposed to work in every possible area.

I'm going to send you a few CDs of my shows. You can study them, whip yourself into a frenzy and then go out there and abuse some more kids. What fun!

Archive · #**184** 03-07-2009, 02:57 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

There is a difference, Bucs, between he difficult subjects you mention, and physics.

Those you mention are not required subjects for pre-meds.

Students take the subjects you cite because they want to, not because they have to.

And they are usually not angry with the prof because they think the "B-" they received will keep them out of med school.

Archive · #**185** 03-07-2009, 03:00 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Biology and chemistry are not required subjects for pre-med students? Wow, things must have really changed since I went to college.

And how do you explain the fact that your rating was the only embarrassingly low one of all the Skidmore Physics professors? Bad hair day?

Archive · #**186** 03-07-2009, 03:05 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

It's Associate Jeff. Just like at your office.

And you give me far too much credit. That's an awfully strong conclusion to reach based on the unsolicited and anonymous statements of a small number of students at a small liberal arts college.

Is that the kind of reasoning they taught in law school?

And what of my right to face and cross-examine my accusers?

I should think that none of their anonymous statements are admissible in forming any judgment against me.

Or don't you actually believe in those lofty ideals you continually spout?

Archive · #**187** 03-07-2009, 03:10 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

Ahh, Jeff.

Most pre-meds are biology majors. Not many people resent taking courses in their major field.

(And there are at least four required chem courses for pre-meds. Not to mention that pre-meds believe chemistry is important for medicine, but that physics is just some arbitrary hurdle placed in their path.)

But then, you know all this, because you're such an expert in the ways of academe.

Archive · #**188** 03-07-2009, 03:14 PM

Posted By: Don

"Well...I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is, but if it turns ugly it's getting locked."

I guess Dan went to bed early and didn't wake up.

"He is a senile idot --let's lock this thread and talk baseball cards."

Poor Bill. He quickly unsheaths the sword of irony in the 6th reply, then promptly falls on it.

Archive · #**189** 03-07-2009, 03:17 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Let's see if I get this right.

Jeff is a bad guy because he has a job that David doesn't like.
David is also a bad guy because he has a job that some college students on a website say he doesn't do well.
Obama is a bad president because it's March already and I still can't retire.
Jim Bunning is a nice guy when he's talking baseball, but a bad guy when he's talking politics.
Frank has some really cool cards.

Does that about sum it up? Has anyone brought noise in this thread?

-Al

Archive · #**190** 03-07-2009, 03:19 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz

Al, I think you've gotten straight to the heart of the matter.

An elegant analysis and summation.

Archive · #**191** 03-07-2009, 03:27 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

David, for crying out loud, you're like the most hated professor out of 330 at your college and you're still unwilling to take any responsibility for it? And yes, anecdotal proof counts for something. If you were a normal, calm, non-psychotic presence on this board perhaps we could all chalk your rating up to a few bad apples. But comeon, man, wake up!

Archive · #**192** 03-07-2009, 03:38 PM

Posted By: marshall barkman

Well what a horse race this has turned out to be. After reading several posts what i am trying to figure out is why folks on here constantly bash Lichtman and myself, i understand i get thrashed more than Jeff but geez why condemn someone because they are a defense attorney. Is it because we have websites? Uhhhhh......is it because when you google us it does not come up with zero results....ummmmmmm.......is it because we both have done TV and radio interview shows.......ohhh myyyyy......because we are not afraid to be ourselves......i know David let's try something you and the rest of the zeros are good at maybe a spelling bee.

Ok class now first we have David....please stand up.....and spell kefiltafish.

Archive · #**193** 03-07-2009, 03:39 PM

Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

Jeff, I was there not too far removed from the time Obama was there. The most outspoken, arrogant, self-righteous people in my class were predominantly very left wing. But notwithstanding their intelligence (which I don't dispute at all), I used to shudder at the thought that any of them would end up in a position of power. Well, here we are.

Archive · #**194** 03-07-2009, 03:41 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Uh oh, Peter, now you did it.

Archive · #**195** 03-07-2009, 03:49 PM

Posted By: Richard Simon

delete

Archive · #**196** 03-07-2009, 03:55 PM

Posted By: JimCrandell

The ACLU--the most dangerous group in America today.

And people don't like Obama because he wants to take the country in a direction(radical socialism) that is completely opposite to everything that made America a great country. He is a Chavez/Castro wannabe and an avowed socialist and for the handful of you that support his radical left agenda I hope you don't have children that will live in the world that he and Pelosi and Barney Frank are forging.

Archive · #**197** 03-07-2009, 03:57 PM

Posted By: JimCrandell

Peter,

Nice to see you posting again--nice to have another sensible voice on the political chat boards.

Archive · #**198** 03-07-2009, 03:57 PM

Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

Jim, don't forget Senator Reid, let's give him his due as well.

Archive · #**199** 03-07-2009, 04:03 PM

Posted By: Stephen Mitchell

Peter_Spaeth
(Login Peter_Spaeth) Obama and HLS March 7 2009, 6:39 PM wrote:

Jeff, I was there not too far removed from the time Obama was there. The most outspoken, arrogant, self-righteous people in my class were predominantly very left wing. But notwithstanding their intelligence (which I don't dispute at all), I used to shudder at the thought that any of them would end up in a position of power. Well, here we are.

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Comment: Four lines that sum up my sentiments exactly. Wish I had the knowledge, experience and brevity of speech to say it so well. Thank you.

Steve Mitchell

Archive · #**200** 03-07-2009, 04:10 PM

Posted By: Bill Stone

Don --Thanks for getting it !

Jim-- The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty. I am glad they are here to defend and preserve our individual rights and liberties.

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