First-ever SGC 10 Wilt Chamberlain Rookie Graded

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I see the same kind of bat ear on the upper right corners of the Baylor and the Shue as is present on the PSA 10 Wilt. Appreciate your posting them, Travis. I stand corrected.

To clarify, I'm not saying that the Wilt was definitely *not* trimmed, rather I'm just saying that with this set in particular there are a lot of factory cuts just like that, so it's not possible to distinguish a trimmed copy from a factory cut the same way we would with other sets.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

So there IS a psa 10?

Makes the sale even more baffling

There are 3. And they are almost certainly all laughably over-graded

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

To clarify, I'm not saying that the Wilt was definitely *not* trimmed, rather I'm just saying that with this set in particular there are a lot of factory cuts just like that, so it's not possible to distinguish a trimmed copy from a factory cut the same way we would with other sets.

I get it. I am not saying it is not trimmed either but your post made me at least consider that it might not be. Appreciate the education.

[Brent G.]

Sooo ... did they have an Oscar or Elgin rookie in that box or what??

[Rocketcards]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL. Rigged game for certain folks.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL. Rigged game for certain folks.

Don't necessarily disagree but I will say that surface is freakin' amazing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Don't necessarily disagree but I will say that surface is freakin' amazing.

Yes, it's a gorgeous card, and probably deserving, but still, it's a rigged game and it matters who you are.

So much for all the noise about how great it looked in the SGC holder and blah blah. It seems pretty clear this was purchased because the buyer knew it would cross and he could sell it for a significant profit.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Rocketcards

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Now that’s a damn shame.

[Rocketcards]

The card is incredible and deserved to be crossed. Not sure why anyone would call it a rigged game when that’s clearly the case in this instance. To me because the buyer saw the value and opportunity to cross it makes him a smart business person and nothing more sinister than that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rocketcards

The card is incredible and deserved to be crossed. Not sure why anyone would call it a rigged game when that’s clearly the case in this instance. To me because the buyer saw the value and opportunity to cross it makes him a smart business person and nothing more sinister than that.

I know who bought it, do you?

[CuriousGeorge]

What’s the difference who bought it?

[Rocketcards]

I’m not sure who bought it would matter if the card is worthy on its own merit?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

What’s the difference who bought it?

Only in that a buyer with inside connections (and we both know some buyers have those) likely would have used them to ask if the card would, or was likely to, cross. That's how this industry has always worked to some extent, just how it is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rocketcards

I’m not sure who bought it would matter if the card is worthy on its own merit?

Many high profile cards can go either way. So in that sense, yes. Politics, or whatever you want to call it, can play a role.

[Rocketcards]

I’m no expert and I don’t have 1.7 million but I think anyone with reasonable eyesight can see the card is extraordinary and would highly likely cross to PSA.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I get it. I am not saying it is not trimmed either but your post made me at least consider that it might not be. Appreciate the education.

Anyone see the obviously MC back? I don't know the issue well enough, but there is a strip of white above the blue

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rocketcards

I’m no expert and I don’t have 1.7 million but I think anyone with reasonable eyesight can see the card is extraordinary and would highly likely cross to PSA.

IMO nobody is going to take a chance on crossing a 10, especially if they have connections. A PSA 10 on a vintage card is never a sure thing or even close. Especially on a super high profile card and especially nowadays. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Anyone see the obviously MC back? I don't know the issue well enough, but there is a strip of white above the blue

Normal for the issue.

[Republicaninmass]

23rd

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Normal for the issue.

Thanks, add a pic there. I know with other issues barely a sliver gets an MC

Just imagine the plebs thinking their sgcs will cross to psa!

Marketing at its finest

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

23rd


Thanks, add a pic there. I know with other issues barely a sliver gets an MC

Just imagine the plebs thinking their sgcs will cross to psa!

Marketing at its finest

The blue isn't supposed to be on the edge it's a stripe. I don't have a 10 to show you but here's a 7 we had.

[Beercan collector]

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-earns-sgc-10/
So Does SGC de-announce it and remove from certification ?

[Lucas00]

Severe downgrade. Done for the $ only. Doesn't look nearly as nice as SGC. Bummer.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

The blue isn't supposed to be on the edge it's a stripe. I don't have a 10 to show you but here's a 7 we had.

Thank you for pointing this out. Not many in the hobby are aware near perfect top to bottom centered 61 Fleer cards will have a s
sliver of non-blue along the top edge.

[bxb]

Some very high end collectors prefer the uniformity of having all their cards in PSA holders.

[calvindog]

The massive effort to gin up interest to make a profit on an investment never ceases to amaze me. Now a sockpuppet?

[Beercan collector]

7006750 was still listed on SGC last night but gone this morning !
nice

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is going to take a chance on crossing a 10, especially if they have connections. A PSA 10 on a vintage card is never a sure thing or even close. Especially on a super high profile card and especially nowadays. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Bingo. It’s all about connections.

Nothing is a coincidence in this hobby.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

7006750 was still listed on SGC last night but gone this morning !
nice

When I tried to turn in some flips to SGC at the National this summer, they refused to accept them and said they would not deactivate the certs nor remove them from the pop report. I guess they made an exception for such a high profile card.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is going to take a chance on crossing a 10, especially if they have connections. A PSA 10 on a vintage card is never a sure thing or even close. Especially on a super high profile card and especially nowadays. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

You're not wrong. Despite this card being as perfect as a 61 Fleer Wilt RC gets, the chances that it would have even passed grading at all today at PSA, let alone been given a 10 are extremely low. They flag nearly all of these as "min size" now because they are unaware that this set was cut slightly smaller than 2.5x3.5 at factory. But even if it did pass grading, it's a near certainty that even this gem of a card wouldn't have gotten a 10 if it randomly landed on a graders desk by a random submitter at PSA.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

You're not wrong. Despite this card being as perfect as a 61 Fleer Wilt RC gets, the chances that it would have even passed grading at all today at PSA, let alone been given a 10 are extremely low. They flag nearly all of these as "min size" now because they are unaware that this set was cut slightly smaller than 2.5x3.5 at factory. But even if it did pass grading, it's a near certainty that even this gem of a card wouldn't have gotten a 10 if it randomly landed on a graders desk by a random submitter at PSA.

As I like to say, all submitters are equal. Some are more equal than others. Just how it is.

[Lorewalker]

The Wilt is an amazing looking card and both PSA and SGC got it right but in this present grading environment the average submitter does not get that to cross despite it absolutely deserving it. Like the Amex commercial from long ago, "Membership has it's privileges."

As has also been posted, I think it looked better in the SGC holder but the PSA holder looks much better for the bank account should that day come.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I like to say, all submitters are equal. Some are more equal than others. Just how it is.

No doubt about it.
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[samosa4u]

Somebody on Facebook made an interesting post regarding this topic. He thinks that all of this is a "publicity stunt" to show that SGC is now on the same level as PSA and to get more people to cross their cards over. In other words, this is not just one rich dude with connections making moves here. This is a group of people who are doing this with the intention of making more money in the future for their company. This might not be true, but I think it's an interesting way of looking at it.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Somebody on Facebook made an interesting post regarding this topic. He thinks that all of this is a "publicity stunt" to show that SGC is now on the same level as PSA and to get more people to cross their cards over. In other words, this is not just one rich dude with connections making moves here. This is a group of people who are doing this with the intention of making more money in the future for their company. This might not be true, but I think it's an interesting way of looking at it.

Hmm...

Was there any sort of publicity blurb in regards to the crossover? Anything on the news or online outside of the hobby/industry? I am not following this thing outside of our forum, but I haven't seen anything make the media as I did with its original discovery, etc.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Somebody on Facebook made an interesting post regarding this topic. He thinks that all of this is a "publicity stunt" to show that SGC is now on the same level as PSA and to get more people to cross their cards over. In other words, this is not just one rich dude with connections making moves here. This is a group of people who are doing this with the intention of making more money in the future for their company. This might not be true, but I think it's an interesting way of looking at it.

This is nonsense of course.

Also, I just had 7 very easy crossovers to PSA from SGC, including an SGC 6 Wilt with borders every bit as large as this one. All 7 cards were rejected and they called my Wilt "min size" despite the fact that they previously graded it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

This is nonsense of course.

Also, I just had 7 very easy crossovers to PSA from SGC, including an SGC 6 Wilt with borders every bit as large as this one. All 7 cards were rejected and they called my Wilt "min size" despite the fact that they previously graded it.

You need to get yourself some connections, amigo. Or resign yourself to enjoying those great looking SGC slabs.

[ruth-gehrig]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I like to say, all submitters are equal. Some are more equal than others. Just how it is.

I love Yogisms even ones not from Yogi

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

I love Yogisms even ones not from Yogi

Orwell was brilliant.