Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card

[Sean]

Wow, a Walter Johnson/ Piedmont 42. Great card.

[Epps]

A recently added one

T206 Cobb Piedmont 42.jpg

T206 Cobb Piedmont 42 Back.jpg

[Jobu]

Great cards gentlemen, all of you. I wish I had something to post!

[ValKehl]

Ted & Sean, Thanks!

Epps, that is a gorgeous Cobb, regardless of the grade!

Val

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Epps, that is a gorgeous Cobb, regardless of the grade!

Val

Excellent Cobb, and a Piedmont 42.

[Bigb13]

Only two of theseimage.jpg

[tedzan]

These American Beauty cards of Delahanty and Elberfeld are not that rare; nevertheless, their DRUM's are very rare.








TED Z
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[Bigb13]

Only one graded by PSAimage.jpg

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

Only one graded by PSAAttachment 179596

The thread is called: Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card

[tedzan]

Double post.

[tedzan]

The 1910 COUPON and the SOVEREIGN 460 cards of Matty are pretty rare.









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[Jobu]

Ted, that T213-1 Matty is one of my top 5 favorite cards. Thanks for posting such a big scan, I was waiting to see it in this thread.

[tedzan]

Unfortunately, the lack of availibility of the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards is not fully appreciated by a fair number of collectors. If this 68-card subset
was accurately classified as the 17th basic Tobacco brand of the T206 set, there would be more respect for these cards in terms of scarcity and value.

We can't fault Jeff Burdick for this omission, since his records indicate a timeline regarding the three COUPON sets dated 1914-1919. If Jeff knew that
the 1910 COUPON set was indeed printed and issued in the Spring/Summer of 1910, it's very plausible that he would have included these cards in the
" T206 family ".







TED Z
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[tedzan]

I only know of one other Donlin red HINDU....besides mine.



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TED Z
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[tedzan]

One of my favorite T206 Southern Leaguers is Greminger. I would not say that his HINDU card is that rare; but, his RED SUN (T211) certainly is.




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TED Z
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[cammb]

Actually, none of these cards are rarer. Only 8 confirmed Doyle national cards and everyone is showing the backs of other cards saying how many are graded by what company does not make sense. If one of the Doyles has a rare back, eg Hindu, wouldn't that make it rarer than all other tobacco cards? IMO it is the rarest no matter how many combination backs you all show.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by cammb

Actually, none of these cards are rarer. Only 8 confirmed Doyle national cards and everyone is showing the backs of other cards saying how many are graded by what company does not make sense. If one of the Doyles has a rare back, eg Hindu, wouldn't that make it rarer than all other tobacco cards? IMO it is the rarest no matter how many combination backs you all show.

Agreed...but it's funny!

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by cammb

If one of the Doyles has a rare back, eg Hindu, wouldn't that make it rarer than all other tobacco cards? IMO it is the rarest no matter how many combination backs you all show.

I believe Doyle NY Nat'l only exists with a Piedmont 350 back. No doubt it is the rarest. A thread like this is just an excuse to show off some of our cards with people that share our passion. I know my family must be tired of hearing about the hobby.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cammb

Actually, none of these cards are rarer. Only 8 confirmed Doyle national cards and everyone is showing the backs of other cards saying how many are graded by what company does not make sense.

Hey Tony

1st....I'm not sure if I understand what you are getting at here ?

Originally Posted by cammb

If one of the Doyles has a rare back, eg Hindu, wouldn't that make it rarer than all other tobacco cards? IMO it is the rarest no matter how many combination backs you all show.

2nd....Guess what, there is one Joe Doyle Nat'l card that has been graded that has a POLAR BEAR back. Perhaps, this is the card that you are alluding to ? ?

Well, guess what....this card is a FAKE !

The Doyle Nat'l card was printed only with PIEDMONT 350 backs......PERIOD.


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[The Nasty Nati]

A true rare T206 card if we are talking about T206 back variations would have to be the Honus Wagner with the Piedmont back. I believe there is only 2 in existence.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Tony

1st....I'm not sure if I understand what you are getting at here ?





2nd....Guess what, there is one Joe Doyle Nat'l card that has been graded that has a POLAR BEAR back. Perhaps, this is the card that you are alluding to ? ?

Well, guess what....this card is a FAKE !

The Doyle Nat'l card was printed only with PIEDMONT 350 backs......PERIOD.


TED Z
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Hey, Ted

I guess your red hindu Donlin is the rarest card there is. You win.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

A true rare T206 card if we are talking about T206 back variations would have to be the Honus Wagner with the Piedmont back. I believe there is only 2 in existence.

Get ready for a Johnny V freak out session over that Wagner scrap...

In 3, 2, 1...

[mrvster]

Diaper Time!

that wagner scrap/magenta ghost makes my heart palpitate

[edjs]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Diaper Time!

that wagner scrap/magenta ghost makes my heart palpitate

Can't write...losing mind....must stay in control...WOW!

[tedzan]

There appears to be no graded AMERICAN BEAUTY cards of Eddie Collins. I know of only two AB 350 Collins cards....my ungraded one here,
and another ungraded Collins.

Can anyone here vouch for any more of them ?


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[Pat R]

Ted,

PSA has four Eddie Collins AB's in their pop reports.

1Q
3
4.5
5

[tedzan]

I guess the PSA site that I am accessing is different from your's.

It indicates "No population" for Eddie Collins AB 350.


Can you provide me the URL that you have for PSA pop reports ?

Thanks

TED Z
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[Gradedcardman]

The Collins POP is listed under the AB generic back not the AB 350 grouping. Apparently no AB Collins have been graded by PSA since the new format came into use.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

There appears to be no graded AMERICAN BEAUTY cards of Eddie Collins. I know of only two AB 350 Collins cards....my ungraded one here,
and another ungraded Collins.

Can anyone here vouch for any more of them ?


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Thanks guys for your inputs.

OK, two ungraded ones, four PSA graded ones, and none graded by SGC.

Therefore, at this point in time we know of 6....which is slightly less than the 8 authentic Joe Doyle Nat'L cards that are known.


TED Z
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[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Thanks guys for your inputs.

OK, two ungraded ones, four PSA graded ones, and none graded by SGC.

Therefore, at this point in time we know of 6....which is slightly less than the 8 authentic Joe Doyle Nat'L cards that are known.


TED Z
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Also there is at least one graded by PSA prior to back reports.

[tedzan]

OK, there are two SGC graded PIEDMONT 150 Plank's.

And, I think there are only 2 graded by PSA (one of which is his Blue-less scrap card).








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[Sean]

Hey Ted, when selling the "Whitey" Plank, Goodwin said that it was one of five known with a Piedmont back. Is yours the fifth one?

I checked T206resource.com and could only find the two graded by SGC and two from PSA (including Whitey) so I assume that this is the fifth one known.

[tedzan]

As far as I have seen, there are only 4 such Plank's.

I've never seen or heard of a 5th one.

And, don't I wish that image I have posted was a real Piedmont 150. Then, I would need only Doyle and Wagner for my 522-card all-PIEDMONT set.


Best regards,

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[edjs]

Originally Posted by tedzan

OK, there are two SGC graded PIEDMONT 150 Plank's.

And, I think there are only 2 graded by PSA (one of which is his Blue-less scrap card).








TED Z
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Ted,

I am just curious. When I was taking T206 identification 101 course, the first thing to look at is the color and font on the name/team. That is the blackest looking ink I've seen on a T206. Is it just the scan? Believe me, I am not an expert.

Ed

[MVSNYC]

Ted posted a reprint. Real T206's use brown ink for the player name & team, and the first letters of team/league are taller than the rest.

[Jobu]

5 between PSA and SGC, making this #6. Probably some raw cards out there that push this over 8, but I wanted to post in this thread!

[Jobu]

If we are going with the expansive definition of T206 then these fellows count because there is 1 Murray between PSA (0) and SGC (1) and there are 3 Campbells between SGC (3) and PSA (0).

[Eggoman]

WOW! I thought that I knew a little bit about T206s, but having spent the last couple of months REALLY reading stuff on NET54 makes me realize that I ONLY know A LITTLE BIT about them! Anyway, here's my meager effort - I was surprised that so few of these have been documented - only 2 on the PSA web site and only 4 on SGC without identifying the Series... I didn't think that Cycle 460 was THAT tough...is it?

[Sean]

Cycle 460 is not an ultra-rare back like Uzit or Drum, but they are somewhat rare. The 460 Series is much tougher than the 350 Series.

[Sean]

And that's a really nice card. The front is really nice, but the paper loss on the back hurts the grade.

[Sean]

Bryan, I love the Murray Red Cross. I considered doing a Murray back run a couple years ago, but gave up. That card would have been a White Whale for me.

[Eggoman]

Originally Posted by Sean

And that's a really nice card. The front is really nice, but the paper loss on the back hurts the grade.

Yeah, but it's crease free and it shows well! THANKS, Sean!!

[Jobu]

Thanks Sean, I am pretty excited to have picked it up!

Greg, that WaJo is about as nice a 2 as you are going to see, great card.

[Eggoman]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Thanks Sean, I am pretty excited to have picked it up!

Greg, that WaJo is about as nice a 2 as you are going to see, great card.

Thanks, Man! I appreciate that! I DO kinda like it, too! If I could build a set that presents that well...even with some minor paper losses...that would be GREAT!

[Jobu]

A scan and a question. Between PSA and SGC there is a total of 1 Campbell Tolstoi. I assume there are more raw cards out there given that this is a common (not to mention the well-known issues with the pop reports). I know there are some Old Mill and Tolstoi cards that are really tough though - does anyone think that there are fewer than 8 of this Campbell? Thanks.

[sreader3]

Bryan,

I checked my 2008-2013 survey data of over 100K public sales and there were none of Campbell Tolstoi. So if as you say there is only one in the major pop reports I would not be surprised if there were 8 or fewer copies extant.

Scot

[Jobu]

Scot: Thanks! That is awesome news, I appreciate your sharing your data.

[deltaarnet]

The only two I own right now, but do have a 3 Finger Brown Polar bear PSA 4 on the way. Just started a T-206 PC

[ZachS]

George Bell (hands above) w/ OM back. I've only seen my graded and another raw in beater condition. I'm sure there are others out there but I only know of 2 so far.

[slipk1068]

My favorite thread this year, so I thought I would see if anyone wanted to add to it. This CB is a tough front back combo.