Thanks to those who helped me here and also those who respected me here

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Zone91

HOF Auto Rookies

Please tell who decides what is right or wrong in life...here the buyer and seller and this is the only time this turned into a small mess.

Usually I end up buying much more down the road from that same seller and he is happy and I am happy in the end. He may lose 500$ today but make 1000$'s down the road.

Post # 14

I would bet you more than you can afford that the person you reneged on for $500 will never deal with you again.

[Zone91]

Peter_Spaeth

And I respect his choice and understand his frustration!!!

His lose because I know I pay for my stuff 99% of the time. Like I said 1% goes wrong as it did in this specific case. That is what happens some times like in any other field in life.Never lost track of how many cards I ended not buying just know almost all my deals get done without any problems.

HOF Auto Rookies

''May God have mercy on my soul'' hahahahahaha come on I made a bad deal for a baseball card I think God can get over it!!!! God gave us ALL the freedom of choice I decided that this was not wrong the seller did there you go...freedom is great is it not!!!

Ohhh God please forgive me I have sinned I did not close a deal for a baseball card please forgive me.....lolllllllll I believe God has way more on his plate than a bad card deal!!! Oh God I have eaten from the forbidden tree what shale I do to redeem myself...I know pay for my cards like I do 99% of the time!!!

Last post for today

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Zone91

HOF Auto Rookies

Please tell who decides what is right or wrong in life...here the buyer and seller and this is the only time this turned into a small mess.

Usually I end up buying much more down the road from that same seller and he is happy and I am happy in the end. He may lose 500$ today but make 1000$'s down the road.

We do not all have to have the same view of what is right and wrong in life that is what is called freedom of thinking!!!

Post # 14

Your reply does not relate to my post in even the slightest amount...

This best explains it:

Mr. Adrian, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[bunst]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Last post for today

Thank god. Enough already

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Peter_Spaeth

And I respect his choice and understand his frustration!!!

His lose because I know I pay for my stuff 99% of the time. Like I said 1% goes wrong as it did in this specific case. That is what happens some times like in any other field in life.

Last post for today

If you have lost track of how many cards you haven't paid for, you aren't anywhere close to 99 percent, mon ami.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by Zone91

HOF Auto Rookies

Please tell who decides what is right or wrong in life...here the buyer and seller and this is the only time this turned into a small mess.

Usually I end up buying much more down the road from that same seller and he is happy and I am happy in the end. He may lose 500$ today but make 1000$'s down the road.

We do not all have to have the same view of what is right and wrong in life that is what is called freedom of thinking!!!

Post # 14

Guys there is only one way to resolve this in my book don't respond anymore to any of these ridiculous posts. Let him talk to himself because he is making fools of all of us.

A fool is someone who continues to do the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome. We continually try and talk sense and receive nonsense back. Not worth wasting the time anymore.

[Pythonfactory]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Your reply does not relate to my post in even the slightest amount...

This best explains it:

Mr. Adrian, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

+1

You are my boy, Blue!

[whitehse]

What a change from yesterday's "hat in hand" postings. What do you want to bet he comes back tomorrow and apologizes for today's ramblings while blaming it on something other than his own audacity?

Hopefully we are experiencing Zone's last days on the boards.

[RobertGT]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Guys there is only one way to resolve this in my book don't respond anymore to any of these ridiculous posts. Let him talk to himself because he is making fools of all of us.

A fool is someone who continues to do the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome. We continually try and talk sense and receive nonsense back. Not worth wasting the time anymore.

Reminds me of the great Obi-Wan Kenobi quote:

"Who's the more foolish - the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

[EvilKing00]

"We do not all have to have the same view of what is right and wrong in life that is what is called freedom of thinking!!!"

Up untill I saw this statement I really didnt care much either way, but really..

Right and wrong isnt a opinion. Some things are inherently right and some things are inherently wrong. With out question. Taking it off the "BIG" level and on to our board.... Making an agreement, a verbal contract, a written contract (if it was in an email) and not sticking to that agreement, even if it had to be amended in some way to give more time to pay, or whatever the buyer and seller agreed to.

Its a moral issue basicly. Which does have impact on whoever was the wrongdoer.

I hate when a buyer on ebay dosnt pay, just wastes everyones time. Why bother bidding or making the offer.

Please dont confuse FREEDOM with something else.

[Rickyy]

Where have you gone Peter Chao? A nation turns it's lonely eye to you...woo woo woo..... ♪

Ricky Y

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Zone91

He may lose 500$ today but make 1000$'s down the road.

Adrian,

How can any dealer live by this philosophy?? HOW can you guarantee he will make $1000's down the road with you only admittedly paying for 99% of your material???

THIS IS INSANE what you are/have done!!

Greg

[Gradedcardman]

In the words of the Great and All Knowing Bugs Bunny:

"What a MAROOOOON"

[gnaz01]

Adam, my thoughts EXACTLY!!!

[jhs5120]

He renegged on a deal. It sucks, it happens to me 2-3 times a month.

I think we gave him enought crap for it. Adrian seems harmless enough. Just let him continue doing his thing and give the guy a break.

[forazzurri2axz]

Adrian,; it seems to me that when you first started on this forum that you were enthusiastic and had good intentions in the hobby. As I read your numerous comments, I see a little of myself in you. I too am passionate about many aspects in my life and sometimes get off track when I feel attacked or if there is a vehement difference of opinion. It's like my "bi-polar,ADD " aspect of my personality kicks in and it is difficult to see what people try to point out--like a horse with the blinders on...

Most everyone has tried to be professional with you but you seem to want to disregard even that. What a lot of this boils down to is that our hobby is not like Macy's dept store. My wife returns 50% of everything she buys--I've learned not to even ask why anymore....and I'm sure (pretty sure) that she's not the only one who does that. What you continue to defend is the number of times you back out of a transaction--somehow I sorta get the impression that there has been more than 1% .
Realize that Macy's ALLOWS 50% returns; you can cancel certain other types of transactions within a certain amount of time as well (lemon law ) etc .But this hobby has an unwritten law that you pay for what you buy; And if you don't have the money AT THAT MOMENT to pay for it, just don't buy it.
Also, the issue is not whether you own a 52 Mantle etc that costs 5 figures; as someone who has owned a Wagner and a couple of Planks, it's still not OK if I then reneg(sp?) on 5 or 10 transactions even if they are only $100 each.
So take the well-meant suggestions of a few people here; chill out a little, take a step back and just try to go along with the hobby "rules" , this coming from a sort-of- anarchist who doesn't like rules!!
regards Bill Latzko

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

He renegged on a deal. It sucks, it happens to me 2-3 times a month.

I think we gave him enought crap for it. Adrian seems harmless enough. Just let him continue doing his thing and give the guy a break.

Well this may be true, but like Leon said, he doesn't realize the issue(s) at hand with doing this...I'm fine with him staying, but needs to change his ways and attitudes and care more about how it's going to affect us or other seller(s)

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Well this may be true, but like Leon said, he doesn't realize the issue(s) at hand with doing this...I'm fine with him staying, but needs to change his ways and attitudes and care more about how it's going to affect us or other seller(s)

I am sure Adrian now realizes that renegging on a transaction (especially with a fellow board member) is highly frowned upon.

We can either continue to beat this horse or we can discuss cards. I have enjoyed Adrian's posts for the most part - if only we were all as excited about this hobby. Let's leave this be.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

He renegged on a deal. It sucks, it happens to me 2-3 times a month.

I think we gave him enought crap for it. Adrian seems harmless enough. Just let him continue doing his thing and give the guy a break.

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Well this may be true, but like Leon said, he doesn't realize the issue(s) at hand with doing this...I'm fine with him staying, but needs to change his ways and attitudes and care more about how it's going to affect us or other seller(s)

I told myself I would never post in one of Adrian's threads, but enough is enough. Yes, Brent, he does realize the issue. All you have to do is go back and look at post #40. He said, "I was wrong in what I did and you guys are right backing out of a deal is NOT OK!!!." Then, he went on to say "Sorry for ALL the drama."

There! He admitted his mistake and apologized for it. What more do you want from the guy?!?!? Jason is absolutely right. People have given him enough crap about it. The fact that people (not you Brent) keep piling on and won't shut up about it after he admitted his mistake and apologized for it really proves there are a lot of folks on this board who have absolutely no class. Let it go people.

[bobbyw8469]

I am sure Adrian now realizes that renegging on a transaction (especially with a fellow board member) is highly frowned upon.

Ahem......here, here!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I told myself I would never post in one of Adrian's threads, but enough is enough. Yes, Brent, he does realize the issue. All you have to do is go back and look at post #40. He said, "I was wrong in what I did and you guys are right backing out of a deal is NOT OK!!!." Then, he went on to say "Sorry for ALL the drama."

There! He admitted his mistake and apologized for it. What more do you want from the guy?!?!? Jason is absolutely right. People have given him enough crap about it. The fact that people (not you Brent) keep piling on and won't shut up about it after he admitted his mistake and apologized for it really proves there are a lot of folks on this board who have absolutely no class. Let it go people.

Really David? Seriously? And then around a hundred posts later he says this, in this thread..

"This guy just wants me gone like he has always wanted that is NOT right. I have the right as a buyer to change my mind like anything else on this planet you have that right to make a change. I know it is wrong but 99% of the time the dealer is just fine with it. You walk into a card store say I want this or that card I will pay you tomorrow...you come in tomorrow and make a change of mind and buy something else I have yet to see a dealer go nuts...OK maybe this time one did."

So you are saying that attitude is ok? I am just trying to understand your defense of him.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

nvm

[nolemmings]

EDITED: I'm trying to be nice

[gnaz01]

I have learned what Adrian does when he reaches his post limit, Leon. He sends PM's to those who post about him in this thread. Here is what he sent me:

"There is no right or wrong if God does not exist...only simple minded people believe in these illusions of the brain....if there is a God then yes there is a right or wrong.

I am no stupid person....people who think a lot more than the average 90% of the population all know this. It is the simple minded people who need to believe in the concept of right versus wrong. Take God out that picture and no such thing exists."

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Really David? Seriously?

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

David, for the most part I agree with you, but it seems that an apology means nothing if it is not heartfelt and just words. At least that is how I raised my 3 boys.

Greg

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

Sure David. You Only looked at one of his posts, not his subsequent one(s). Makes sense to me. The only reason he apologized was because he knew that is what we expected. But, as evidenced by the post I posted of his, he didn't really mean it. Maybe you just aren't seeing that or don't have the aptitude to understand it?

[Pythonfactory]

Man this thread is turning ugly. I feel like we are all feeding the fire with no end in sight. Us raging at each other isn't going to move this whole thing forward. If you don't like someone, don't trade/buy/sell from them and don't respond to their posts. If someone violates the explicit (and not implied) terms of service of this board, warn them and then boot them out if they do it again. We can only control our own actions.

Anyone like baseball cards? I do. We should talk about them.

Also, I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

"Can we all just get along?"

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

I sort of agree with David. Think what he did to Marty was way off and not cool at all. Beating the guy senseless isn't going to change the deal gone wrong or make it all better.

Right now this seems more about page views and an entertaining train wreck more than anything productive. Just my two cents and this coming from a guy who loves his train wrecks as much as the next guy.

Cheers,

John

Post # 1

[botn]

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

[shammus]

"This guy just wants me gone like he has always wanted that is NOT right. I have the right as a buyer to change my mind like anything else on this planet you have that right to make a change. I know it is wrong but 99% of the time the dealer is just fine with it. You walk into a card store say I want this or that card I will pay you tomorrow...you come in tomorrow and make a change of mind and buy something else I have yet to see a dealer go nuts...OK maybe this time one did."

This is the quote I have a problem with. Because, no, you really don't have that right. The reason our BST works is because people here are honest, communicate well for the most part, and follow through on transactions. Around here, "a deal is a deal". There is no way that 99% of dealers here will be ok with someone freely backing out of deals, more like the opposite.

Someone who repeatedly backs out on transactions without cause or due to "buyers regret" is not someone we'd want participating on BST. I don't need to even get into all the ways that affects the seller...people have already done that. All of us understand that emergencies happen, i have no problem with that. However if you do back out of a deal claiming financial emergency, and then you turn around and spend money elsewhere, then you're not being honest. And we don't need dishonest people running around BST either.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sure David. You Only looked at one of his posts, not his subsequent one(s). Makes sense to me. The only reason he apologized was because he knew that is what we expected. But, as evidenced by the post I posted of his, he didn't really mean it. Maybe you just aren't seeing that or don't have the aptitude to understand it?

Didn't read the whole thing...Leon you were a supporter of Adrian right? Is that changing are you giving him the boot over this? Or is the beating from the 54 posse sort of street justice? Only ask because you seem heated over this now and being the forum owner seems like an easy fix and back to collecting and cards. Regardless of Great White North's buying habits and or integrity.

Cheers,

John

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by botn

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

At least no old lady's were robbed.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by botn

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

Greg,

I try not to get involved in Adrain's drama, so I'm not following. If you're saying he reneged on deals even after he admitted his mistake and apologized, then please continue to roast him - he's learned nothing. But if he hasn't reneged on any deals since his apology and refrains from doing so in the future, then everyone should cut him some slack and give him another chance to repair his reputation. If that's the case, all I am saying is people deserve second chances. I know I've screwed up many times and I'm grateful to those that forgave me and gave me a second chance.

Regards,

David

[nolemmings]

I agree with you completely Leon. There is no contrition here. Words of apology have no meaning when they are immediately followed with repeat offenses and blasts about how money trumps all and he can do whatever he wants. Put that together with his basic admission about how all these prior excuses he offered everybody (dog ate my homework type stuff) will go away now that he has found his focus and it seems pretty clear the guy has honesty issues. Pointing that out and doing so repeatedly does not show a lack of class and an unwillingness to move on; rather it displays hypocrisy and BS for all of us to see.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Didn't read the whole thing...Leon you were a supporter of Adrian right? Is that changing are you giving him the boot over this? Or is the beating from the 54 posse sort of street justice? Only ask because you seem heated over this now and being the forum owner seems like an easy fix and back to collecting and cards. Regardless of Great White North's buying habits and or integrity.

Cheers,

John

Hi John
Thanks for thinking of my feelings? .... Yes, I was a big supporter of Adrians until his crappy ass attitude towards reneging coupled with his actions. But yeah, I was a supporter before that.
No, I don't think banning him is the right thing right now. He will get an infraction for wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth. With his attitude I also don't want him on the BST so he won't be on there.
Other than that...page views are up, up, up?

[jhs5120]

The horse is dead. It's been dead. It had a miserable life and it finally died. This poor horse was born, ate grass, grew up and died. I beg you, put the clubs down. There is no need to beat this poor dead horse. It is dead.

Jason

[shammus]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Greg,

I try not to get involved in Adrain's drama, so I'm not following. If you're saying he reneged on deals even after he admitted his mistake and apologized, then please continue to roast him - he's learned nothing. But if he hasn't reneged on any deals since his apology and refrains from doing so in the future, then everyone should cut him some slack and give him another chance to repair his reputation. If that's the case, all I am saying is people deserve second chances. I know I've screwed up many times and I'm grateful to those that forgave me and gave me a second chance.

Regards,

David

David I believe two things actually happened since his apology which prolonged the thread....

1. He was caught buying a card from someone else after claiming he had a financial emergency...

And 2. Came forth with an opinion that changing your mind freely on transactions is ok and in general was trying to justify his actions

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi John
Thanks for thinking of my feelings? .... Yes, I was a big supporter of Adrians until his crappy ass attitude towards reneging coupled with his actions. But yeah, I was a supporter before that.
No, I don't think banning him is the right thing right now. He will get an infraction for wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth. With his attitude I also don't want him on the BST so he won't be on there.
Other than that...page views are up, up, up?

LOL, I hear you. Just seems like the overall tone is Adrian is a dirtbag beyond repair. If that's the case I just don't understand all the effort put forth.

To me if that is the case and Adrian is a lost cause why? Look I will argue with a wall but even certain arguments you just have to pass on. Like arguing that God isn't real to group of church folks on Sunday.

If its page views you want let me run wild Leon....oh please let me run wild ill grab McKee and a case of scotch and will really get the numbers bumping!

Cheers,

John

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

LOL, I hear you. Just seems like the overall tone is Adrian is a dirtbag beyond repair. If that's the case I just don't understand all the effort put forth.

To me if that is the case and Adrian is a lost cause why? Look I will argue with a wall but even certain arguments you just have to pass on. Like arguing that God isn't real to group of church folks on Sunday.

If its page views you want let me run wild Leon....oh please let me run wild ill grab McKee and a case of scotch and will really get the numbers bumping!

Cheers,

John

I'm In!

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by shammus

David I believe two things actually happened since his apology which prolonged the thread....

1. He was caught buying a card from someone else after claiming he had a financial emergency...

And 2. Came forth with an opinion that changing your mind freely on transactions is ok and in general was trying to justify his actions

Wait a minute.. He is back to buying more cards. I thought his pet was dying and he had to fly his family in from Europe for the last rites? Could someone please just post a brief summary so I don't have to go back through the thread... Or someone could just make a movie out of it...
"a young Mountie, fresh out of Mountie school inherits a rare coin, selling it for $250,000! But his poor hamster Fluffy is dying of a rare gluten intolerance disease... Instead of selling his rare Mickey mantle card to pay off debts, he chooses to skip out on some legally binding contracts in the name of freedom and the Canadian dream. So he decides to use his fortune to fly in specialists from abroad to cure poor Fluff. A band of worthless criminals called "the Net54 crew" are out to stop him. On July 4th, go to your local theater to see "the Zone", and see for your self if freedom does really exist."

Starring Kevin Bacon as Adrian, Tom Selleck as Leon and Rodney the gerbil as Fluffy

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

I'm In!

Me too....

I'm always down for a good old fashioned verbal donnybrook

[Cardboard Junkie]

"Donnybrook"..gotta admit had to look that one up. Excellent! Dave.

[steve B]

I hear a rumor there might be a couple new moderators for the BST section to enforece the new "bust a deal face the wheel" policy.




And a fancy new dispute resolution center!






Just kidding! Everyone is pretty well on top of things. I couldn't resist a second action movie reference in the week. (What's the limit on those?)

Steve B

[Julz24]

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[deadballfreaK]

This is the gift that keeps on giving. I wondered what I would do tonight since the Cardinals have an off day and now 10 more pages of this great drama to peruse.

[CW]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

"Donnybrook"..gotta admit had to look that one up. Excellent! Dave.

Ahhh... you must not be a big hockey fan.

*sees location = Hawai'i*

Ahhh.... not a hockey fan.


In other news, this arrived the other day, an E90-1 Addie Joss portrait. One case in which the E90-1 image trumps the T206 counterpart. Love the green background, and who knows what Addie would've done had he enjoyed a longer career....

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

I'm In!

+2! (Does depend on the year of the scotch )

[EvilKing00]

"i pay for my stuff 99% of the time"

lolol, is it me or is that real funny

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

"i pay for my stuff 99% of the time"

lolol, is it me or is that real funny

I was thinking the same thing.......classic line.

He should make that his signature...