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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: JK
I seriously doubt anyone will consider cobb when voting on bonds for the HOF. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: davidcycle
People are also assuming Bonds will be eligible for election. If it is proven that he used steroids for years, aided and supplied drugs to other players, lied about it to a Federal grand jury and the Baseball Commissioner, I would think there would be a good chance Bonds would placed on the baseball's ineligible list. Realize that the evidence in 6-7 years likely will be stronger and tighter than now, perhaps coupled with a court conviction. Today, even the majority of Bonds' supporters believe that he likely used steroids, which is a conversion from just a couple of years ago. When even your supporters believe you did it, that's a bad omen for the future. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
David, |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jason L
What are you talking about in your last post? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Now that I read over my last post, I have to admit it was pretty cryptic. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Play the race card? What are you talking about? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jason L
THAT baseball "card"....I get the play on words. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
I'm referring to O.J. Simpson and his dream team. There were many attorneys who thought that O.J. and Johnny Cochran were just playing the "race card" by trying to expose the racism of the LA police dept. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
So, you think that Barry and his lawyers actually had a conversation in which they opined over the possibility of claiming that his steriod situation with Major League Baseball was similar to the historic racism and targeting of blacks by the LAPD? Peter, you made more sense when you were singing the praises of the Va Tech shooter. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jason L
please tell me you made that one up |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Something like that...then the attorneys said it's not going to work...then somebody got the bright idea, but I know how to get the MLB and the owners on our side quickly. So maybe Michael Rains or somebody else has been calling the baseball owners and giving them the message that Barry doesn't plan on taking the entire rap...he's going to bring owners and the MLB down with him. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Jason, |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jason, Peter is right, I was just supporting my argument that Peter often makes no sense, such as when he described the Va Tech killer as 'noble.' Peter, why do you always have to assume that the powers that be in our country are totally base and dishonest? Can you honestly say that you believe that Michael Rains has had contact with the owners of Major League Baseball teams to discuss Barry's legal strategies? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Jeff, |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
So the criminal lawyer is calling in 'favors' from Major League Baseball? Tell us how that works. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Max Weder
Jeff |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Max, sorry I missed that. Now it makes all the sense in the world. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: jay behrens
Jason, the reason people blame Selig is that when McGwire was caught with Andro, they knew then that players were up to something. He could have easily stepped in and clamped down on this sort of drug use. He decided to do nothing because baseball was making a comeback and he didn't to killed the golden goose. Only when everything blew up in his face did he final come forward to try and do something. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
So Selig is more culpable than Bonds in this whole mess? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Frank Evanov
I think the idea of Bonds taking baseball down with him is ludicrous. Barry is responsible for his own actions and his alleged steroid use, perjury and tax evasion have nothing to do with MLB. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Frank, |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
What impact will The Card have on this? |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Oh yah...The Card...I guess sometimes I do get carried away. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: jay behrens
Jeff, I would say yes, becuase if he had stepped in right away done something when McGwire got caught, then the chances of Bonds cheating would have lessened. Although I doubt it would have stopped him, or anyone else that used PEDs that they new were undetectable. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jay, I don't care for Selig for a number of reasons having nothing to do with the steroid era. And I don't disagree at all with you that he, along with the rest of the owners, obviously are complicit in the spread of steroids in MLB. Notice I don't say that they simply turned a blind eye: I think their actions (and lack of action) make them complicit. All that being said, I think ultimately a man has to take responsibility for his own actions and any rational player who took steroids knew he was cheating. It was always the 'dirty secret' in the clubhouse because it was just that -- a secret -- because the juicers knew what they were doing was wrong. They are the first in line for blame, with the owners right behind them. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: jay behrens
The thing is that during the time frame when people claim Bonds was using PEDs, there was nothing in the rules against it. Unethical? probably. Cheating by definition of the rules? No. Not unless he did it after they made rules against it. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
There were also no rules against wearing shoes with rockets to propel players around the bases. If it's unethical in baseball that's enough for me - especially when the users knew enough to hide what they were doing. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Zach S.
Barry Bonds was part of the reason WHY major leauge baseball had to enact PED laws/testing. Saying that he's not guilty because MLB never said it was wrong to take PED's is retarded. I echo what Jeff said about how they knew that they shouldn't have been taking PED's or why would they hide it? If it was o.k. for them to take PED's then you know Bonds or McGuire or one of those jackasses would've been making extra money promoting BALCO products. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Good point, Zach. However, Bonds did actually do ads for Balco -- but wouldn't you know it, he only appeared in ads promoting vitamin supplements and not the 'flaxseed oil' he was supposedly rubbing on himself. |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: Rich Klein
He will get in |
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Ty Cobb- Would He Have Gotten Into the Hall in 1929
Posted By: peter chao
Now that Barry has the HR record, I just hope his head doesn't swell up more. |
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