SGC is cranking on recent subs....WOW!!!!!!!

[Republicaninmass]

The back scan has a cream back at the end. I guarantee they are gray backs. Sgc also labeled them as "Canadian" in the past.



"My verification team has informed me that we only recognize Red and Black backs on the label. Not Gray backs. "



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[Jay Wolt]

Ted that sucks!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Ted that sucks!

At least they said they look at the house yellow tiger to determine if I should resubmit. Ha

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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

The back scan has a cream back at the end. I guarantee they are gray backs. Sgc also labeled them as "Canadian" in the past.



"My verification team has informed me that we only recognize Red and Black backs on the label. Not Gray backs. "



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I didn't mean to question whether or not they were indeed gray backs. You have quite a collection of 52 Topps from as far as I can tell. I'm just trying to see what the difference is for myself and wondering why SGC might not want to recognize them. I also wonder if I might have some in my collection? I can't seem to find good comparison photos of these online anywhere. And PSA's photos don't appear to be particularly helpful. What about them makes them "gray"? Because from the ones I've seen, they don't look like the 1956 Topps where the colors are clearly distinguishable from white and gray backs. I must be missing something.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I didn't mean to question whether or not they were indeed gray backs. You have quite a collection of 52 Topps from as far as I can tell. I'm just trying to see what the difference is for myself and wondering why SGC might not want to recognize them. I also wonder if I might have some in my collection? I can't seem to find good comparison photos of these online anywhere. And PSA's photos don't appear to be particularly helpful. What about them makes them "gray"? Because from the ones I've seen, they don't look like the 1956 Topps where the colors are clearly distinguishable from white and gray backs. I must be missing something.

They are more noticeable in hand. You think that one is tough....trying examining 1968 Topps Milton Bradley vs Regular Topps.

[bobbyw8469]

IMHO The grading companies are in a world of hurt right now. And they have reached a point where people are just shoveling money at them. So it isn't a financial problem. It is a customer service and quality control issue. They simply don't have enough competent workers to keep up with demand.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I didn't mean to question whether or not they were indeed gray backs. You have quite a collection of 52 Topps from as far as I can tell. I'm just trying to see what the difference is for myself and wondering why SGC might not want to recognize them. I also wonder if I might have some in my collection? I can't seem to find good comparison photos of these online anywhere. And PSA's photos don't appear to be particularly helpful. What about them makes them "gray"? Because from the ones I've seen, they don't look like the 1956 Topps where the colors are clearly distinguishable from white and gray backs. I must be missing something.

Red Back and Black back refer to ink. Gray backs refers to a rare card stock in one series of 1952 Topps. The overwhelming majority of cards in that series have a cream colored stock. I think there was some confusion about the terms. Hopefully this clears it up.

[Republicaninmass]

Thanks Scott.

I've filed a dispute on my CC as their dropdown has the choices for variations, but they will not honor their own system. I would not have sent them in if I had known this. Now I risk damage cracking them out, or face questions listing them as gray backs in their holder. Lose/lose and out 600$

[Jcosta19]

"My verification team has informed me that we only recognize Red and Black backs on the label. Not Gray backs. "



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From a quick ebay search this seems to be accurate. They have 0 gray back SGC cards for sale and the only 2 that have sold recently were not labeled gray backs.

My 2 thoughts (not that they mean much)

1) Anyone who is expert enough to want and pay premiums for the gray back probably aren't going to need the label to verify that it is actually a gray back.

2) If the SGC drop down and your order/invoice showed "gray back" as a label distinction then they owe you a partial refund at the very least, since you paid to have them labeled under that pretense.

Out of curiosity who have you been corresponding with at SGC?
I've had nothing but good experience with their customer service in the past, including recently.



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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Jcosta19

"My verification team has informed me that we only recognize Red and Black backs on the label. Not Gray backs. "



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From a quick ebay search this seems to be accurate. They have 0 gray back SGC cards for sale and the only 2 that have sold recently were not labeled gray backs.

My 2 thoughts (not that they mean much)

1) Anyone who is expert enough to want and pay premiums for the gray back probably aren't going to need the label to verify that it is actually a gray back.

2) If the SGC drop down and your order/invoice showed "gray back" as a label distinction then they owe you a partial refund at the very least, since you paid to have them labeled under that pretense.

Out of curiosity who have you been corresponding with at SGC?
I've had nothing but good experience with their customer service in the past, including recently.



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Your 2 centsbare appreciated !

It's some kid in customer service, Brent.

Yes I chose either "gray back" or "canadian" from their drop down menu with a note asking of they could label either all as gray back or all as canadian. The real shame was I sent the Frank house yellow tiger...gray back to them for proper labeling. It's as rare as a 52 Mantle in PSA 8 and they blew it!

[Mrc32]

I have half a dozen 1954 Topps Canadians I was going to send in to get holdered. Now I wonder if I should do that. As you said, there is an option for those in the SGC drop-down and they have graded and labeled them as such before.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Mrc32

I have half a dozen 1954 Topps Canadians I was going to send in to get holdered. Now I wonder if I should do that. As you said, there is an option for those in the SGC drop-down and they have graded and labeled them as such before.

Not sure what they are doing over there
Thankfully their heads are so far up their ass they can see t206 backs from their throat.

"
Yellow Tiger is not a variation we acknowledge on the label. The card is correctly labeled"

I've disputed the entire credit card charge. $540 wasted.


Now that they are holdered and NOT labeled properly, I'm at risk breaking them out

[Frankish]

Dealign with SGC lately has been bizarre, especially with regard to obscure issues. For a time after their move to the new pricing schedule, they sent back quite a few vintage Japanese baseball, Cuban league baseball, and soccer as issues they didn't grade. More recently, they've graded more of the obscure cards I've submitted (including some they rejected just a few months ago).

That said, I've found the grading pretty fair. There seems to be some compaction at the lower end of the scale, where cards I would have expected in the past to grade 2-3 are grade 1.1.5, but then again a few cards I was less confident about graded higher. So who knows?

Anyway, their turnaround time certainly can't be beat!

[Republicaninmass]

As far as grading I've noticed they went from not caring about centering, to quite strict on overall grade due to centering. Pretty weird, but it's their future.

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[bobbyw8469]

Can I see the Frank House Ted?

[Republicaninmass]

1952 topps Frank house Yellow Tiger gray back. Me thinks SGC would have had a nice card here for advertising had they labeled it appropriately. Likely as Rare as a psa 9 mantle, definately rarer than a wagner! Sadly not as valuable .... though the last one did five figures in a private sale.

They screwed the pooch. They wont miss my revenue.

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[Snowman]

Turnaround times at SGC are increasing. They're up to 16 business days now. More and more people are making the move over to SGC. I hope that trend continues. They're so much better than PSA in every aspect other than resale prices, in my opinion. But they're closing the gap with modern cards.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Turnaround times at SGC are increasing. They're up to 16 business days now. More and more people are making the move over to SGC. I hope that trend continues. They're so much better than PSA in every aspect other than resale prices, in my opinion. But they're closing the gap with modern cards.

So...they are better than PSA except for the most important metric of all. Got it.

PS - I think Ted would disagree with you.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

So...they are better than PSA except for the most important metric of all. Got it.

PS - I think Ted would disagree with you.

Weirdly that is very true. Planning a PSA group sub any time soon?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Weirdly that is very true. Planning a PSA group sub any time soon?

I REFUSE to pay $30 a card to get cards graded. I am waiting for the quarterly specials to open back up. I have over 2 long boxes of raw cards. Sports. Non Sports. I am sure I have something, to meet another swinging sixties, rocking seventies, or roaring 40's.

[Jcosta19]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

So...they are better than PSA except for the most important metric of all. Got it.



PS - I think Ted would disagree with you.

We are not all sellers or flippers, so many of us would disagree that is the most important metric, but I get your point.

PSA just dropped their express service fees back to $150, so that's something.

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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

So...they are better than PSA except for the most important metric of all. Got it.



PS - I think Ted would disagree with you.

Its only a difference of 1000× sales price, nothing to see here. Akin to grading a t206 Magie or doyle error wrong

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[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Its only a difference of 1000× sales price, nothing to see here. Akin to grading a t206 Magie or doyle error wrong

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Ted, are you gonna keep it labeled wrong and sell it as a Yellow Tiger anyway?? That is what I may wind up doing with a Milton Bradley Nolan Ryan rookie they graded as a Topps. Anyone with two eyes can see mine is a Milton Bradley. Anyone with two eyes can see yours is a yellow tiger.

[sbfinley]

As a buyer, I’m totally fine with the gap right now.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

So...they are better than PSA except for the most important metric of all. Got it.

That depends on how you define the most important metric though. If your goal is profit from a card that is worth ~$5k raw by getting it graded, then perhaps the resale value of getting it grades by PSA vs SGC is most important. But that's not the only relevant factor in the equation to me. You also have to take into account the cost of grading, the turnaround times, and the actual grades themselves. Recently, PSA has been extremely harsh with their grades. To the point where what used to be a 9 is now an 8, and what used to be a 5 is now a 4 or sometimes even a 3. I've also seen numerous cards with minor creases that used to get 4s now getting 1s and 1.5s. If you were to submit these same cards to SGC and received a more fair and consistent grade (which they have definitely been more consistent and reliable recently, in my experience) then the resale value of an SGC 8 vs a PSA 7 all of a sudden matters. It's not just about comparing SGC 10 vs PSA 10 prices. Sometimes it is, but it's often not.

Also, what if you're looking to get this graded for your PC? Maybe you don't want to shell out $300 to have it graded? And what if you're looking to hold it for 5+ years? If SGC continues to gain market share, then the price gap between them and PSA will continue to narrow. 5 years down the line, the differences might not be as drastic.

Resale prices matter, but it's not always an apples to apples comparison. I can't tell you how many truly perfect cards I've had over the years in PSA 9 holders. Sure, most 9s have some minor flaw, but there is no shortage of gem mint cards in PSA 9 holders. I've cracked out a lot of them and crossed them over to BGS or SGC and they were given the gem mint grades they deserved and ended up selling for significantly more than they would have in their PSA slab.

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

So...they are better than PSA except for the most important metric of all. Got it.

PS - I think Ted would disagree with you.

Amazing how much you pimp for psa.

[vthobby]

Received by SGC on 9/29/21
Shipping back to me 11/5/21

Peace, Mike

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Frank A

Amazing how much you pimp for psa.

Uhhh...I don't pimp for them....and nothing of what I am saying is top secret info. It's public knowledge.

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Turnaround times at SGC are increasing. They're up to 16 business days now. More and more people are making the move over to SGC. I hope that trend continues. They're so much better than PSA in every aspect other than resale prices, in my opinion. But they're closing the gap with modern cards.

i used SGC a few times for things i want to keep (the black slab look is awesome), and they did a nice job. but not sure i see this financial gap closing as you say. aside from iconic stuff, all the modern SGC cards i see are going for way less than PSA (i don't have time to do a lengthy study, but the difference appears significant on items i've seen).

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

i used SGC a few times for things i want to keep (the black slab look is awesome), and they did a nice job. but not sure i see this financial gap closing as you say. aside from iconic stuff, all the modern SGC cards i see are going for way less than PSA (i don't have time to do a lengthy study, but the difference appears significant on items i've seen).

If I have time, maybe I'll post a thread showing the data and how it has changed over time. I've definitely been watching it though, and the gap is narrowing. But there's still a significant gap between a PSA 10 and an SGC 10. However, there's also a significant gap between a PSA 10 and a gold label SGC 10 in the other direction. The narrowing of that gap though is what interests me the most. How long might it take for them to catch up, if they ever could, remains to be seen. But if I'm looking to buy a nice copy of a high-end card that I intend to hold for at least 5 to 10 years, I'm buying it in an SGC holder because not only will I get the gains of whatever the future market value of that card is, I will also get the future gains of SGC's closing of the gap in pricing as they continue to gain market share (if that indeed continues, and I anticipate that it will).

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Snowman

If I have time, maybe I'll post a thread showing the data and how it has changed over time. I've definitely been watching it though, and the gap is narrowing. But there's still a significant gap between a PSA 10 and an SGC 10. However, there's also a significant gap between a PSA 10 and a gold label SGC 10 in the other direction. The narrowing of that gap though is what interests me the most. How long might it take for them to catch up, if they ever could, remains to be seen. But if I'm looking to buy a nice copy of a high-end card that I intend to hold for at least 5 to 10 years, I'm buying it in an SGC holder because not only will I get the gains of whatever the future market value of that card is, I will also get the future gains of SGC's closing of the gap in pricing as they continue to gain market share (if that indeed continues, and I anticipate that it will).

My sense is that this narrowing is mostly due to PSA shutting most of their service down. I imagine that once they are accepting regular and economy orders again, things will trend back to how they have been.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

We made it. Cards are in post-grading. Anyone know when I can expect to see the grades? Auction opens tonight so these will have to be a late addition but hopefully we have them in by the weekend!

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

We made it. Cards are in post-grading. Anyone know when I can expect to see the grades? Auction opens tonight so these will have to be a late addition but hopefully we have them in by the weekend!

when I got the shipped notification I could see grades. Click on your order number and you can see them there. I got a split decision. One good (what I expected), one SUCKED!

[Scott L.]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

We made it. Cards are in post-grading. Anyone know when I can expect to see the grades? Auction opens tonight so these will have to be a late addition but hopefully we have them in by the weekend!

Mine sat in post grading for a day. 11/8 post, 11/9 graded.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

We made it. Cards are in post-grading. Anyone know when I can expect to see the grades? Auction opens tonight so these will have to be a late addition but hopefully we have them in by the weekend!

i used USPS Priority, I saw tracking on Friday and just got them today. Honestly, your cards hit exactly when I thought they would so I think depending on distance to ship, you are still about 6 to 8 days from getting your cards in hand. Hopefully a bit sooner but that is my estimate. You should see your grades in 1 to 2 days.

Mike

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

We imaged before we sent, so if I have a grade I can list and update the image later. They are actually listed as "graded" today, so keeping my fingers crossed I see grades today, that would be a bonus.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

We imaged before we sent, so if I have a grade I can list and update the image later. They are actually listed as "graded" today, so keeping my fingers crossed I see grades today, that would be a bonus.

Scott,

When you click on your order number it should take you to your order form. That is were I could see and can see my grades against the cards listed on the order form. My grades showed up the day they shipped......yesterday.

Hope that helps.

B. T.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

We imaged before we sent, so if I have a grade I can list and update the image later. They are actually listed as "graded" today, so keeping my fingers crossed I see grades today, that would be a bonus.

SGC also uploads nice scanned images of your cards to their site after they slab them. You might be able to use those scans before you even get the cards in hand. If you log into your account and click on the link below, it will have a link to your scanned images folder.

https://www.gosgc.com/account/sellerready

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Thanks, they are being overnighted so I assume I'll have them in hand by Friday.

[Oscar_Stanage]

Originally Posted by Snowman

SGC also uploads nice scanned images of your cards to their site after they slab them. You might be able to use those scans before you even get the cards in hand. If you log into your account and click on the link below, it will have a link to your scanned images folder.

https://www.gosgc.com/account/sellerready

The cards will be “seller ready” but unfortunately there will be no one “buyer ready “

[Jcosta19]

Nevermind

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[whiteymet]

Any new updates on SGC timeline?

Those getting things back now when did you submit?

Mine accepted 12/6/21 still marked received

[OldOriole]

They received mine on 11/29. Graded on 12/23. Just got an email yesterday that they're on the way back to me now.

[vthobby]

- Received at SGC 11/24/21

- Graded on 12/23/21

- I just got them back yesterday via priority mail on 1/3/21

Mike

[nineunder71]

Anyone get an order back recently? How we tracking at the current moment?

I’m anxious I guess, have an order they received Jan 20, and hoping for an estimate from someone

Thanks All