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How about the T209-2 B.A. Thompson back? I think it fits your criteria, although it's a bit different in that Thompson is the only card in the set with that back, and Thompson can only be found with that back.
Not my card. ETA: Looks like there are actually four different versions of the Thompson back: (A) no factory number; (B) stamped factory number; (C) printed factory number; (D) black border. Each one may be unique, or close to it. (Courtesy of t209-contentnea.com)
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Al & Leon, thanks for your input and kind words. I picked up this green (actually, I like to call it turquoise, which is one of my favorite colors) HAJ WaJo roughly 20 years ago, before TPG became big time and before WaJo cards became as expensive as they are today. I'm confident this card is legit, but I'd hesitate to buy it today if it wasn't already graded.
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the early '20's was a good time for cards...
D-Gassler's Bread Hornsby, Rogers (F+B).jpg D-Haffner's Bread Holke, Walter (F+B).jpg E-Gertenrich Judge, Joe (F+B cropped).jpg E-Henry A Johnson Milan, Clyde (F+B).jpg E-Henry A Johnson Morton, Guy (F+B cropped).jpg E-Keating Candy Miller, Otto (F+B).jpg E-Service Candy Co O'Neill, Steve (F+B cropped).jpg E-Witmor Candy-1 Gleason, Kid (F+B).jpg Unc-Leader Theatre Groh, Heine (F+B).jpg |
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Updated Rarest Backs List
For those who haven't read through from the beginning of the thread, what I have been trying to compile here is a list of exceptionally rare backs on ACC-cataloged issues. There have to be fewer than 50 total examples of the type (so a T215 Pirate, for example, is too common) and the total number, whatever it may be, has to comprise less than 1% of the total population of the set (so an E107 with the "Breisch, Williams" stamp is too common).
Here, then, is the updated list with changes in bold. I continue to seek input on this. D310 Aldon Candy, Pacific Coast Biscuit Co. stamp E92 Croft’s (red) E94 Your Out, Close's Oppie Dildock, Three Strikes, Pennant Winners, A Base Hit!, Your Safe! If..., Your Safe! Have..., Home Run!, Oh You Fan! E98 Old Put E101 D355* E121 Kings, Gertenrich E135 Merchant's M101-4 Haserot's, Mall Theater, Everybody's type 1, Everybody's type 2, Everybody's type 3, Everybody's type 4 R316 Douglas Park, Morton, Rialto, Community S74-1 Helmar T206 Old Mill (brown), Lenox (brown), Cobb** T207 Red Cross T209-2 B.E. Thompson T213-3 Factory 8 overprint W461 Playland W502/F50 Greiner's W514 Hendler's, Barker, Mother's, Robinson W515 Fleer, Jersey W516-1-1 Sandow W517 Piercy's W551 Wool's W554 Lucky Yo-Yo, Lukcy Deal, 40 Winners, Bonemery W573/E120 Cafe du Monde, Cream Nut, Kings, Leader Theatre W575-1 *The Niagara Baking back is certainly rare enough to qualify, but Burdick classified it as its own set; so you could say of these cards either that 100% of D355s have the same back ad or that < 1% of E101s are found with the Niagara stamp. **The T206 Ty Cobb back is included in the list only because Burdick called it a T206. The card would not otherwise be considered a T206, but then again, nothing would, now would it? *** This: Last edited by darwinbulldog; 05-16-2016 at 11:16 AM. Reason: to remove E92 Menagerie and Prizefighters backs on the grounds that they are printing errors |
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How about the E97 Blank backs?
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There's only one Austin that's not rare?
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if one is looking for an e97 blank back for a type...it is not hard to find one. If one is looking for a particular player...that can be a challenge.
There are no e97 blanks banks that are anywhere near unique. |
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The proofs are not rare? With only one showing in PSA?
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think what u want...you have a history of overvaluing your cards.
they are not proofs and they are not that rare. |
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a) I don't know if there are fewer than 50 of them, but
b) I don't think they actually are E97s, and c) I'm excluding all blank backs from the list anyway. |
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I don't over value my cards in the first place I was asking because I only see one on the PSA population report. Why do you have a hardon for me?
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check sgc as more people use sgc for vintage than psa
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honestly I really dont care...all I know is over the years I have seen a handful of partial sets of e97 b/w's sold as well as many singles. They are tough...no doubt. but there are way more than 1-2 examples of each.
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Maybe raw but not on the reports. I did not want t get into a pissing match with anyone just wanted to ask the question.
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Have to agree with Pete on the E97, difficult but not rare, especially compared to others on the list. In order for it to make this list I would expect to see an example, regardless of player, to come up for sale 2-3 times a year at most (not counting the same card being sold more than once). If I counted correctly there are at least 15 of the e97s on ebay right now and I know a board member has sold a few more earlier this year.
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Current Wantlist: E92 Nadja - Bescher, Bridwell, Cobb, Donovan, Doolan, Doyle (with bat), Lobert, Mathewson, Miller (fielding), Tinker, Wagner (throwing), Zimmerman E/T Young Backrun - Need E90-1, T216 (all versions) E92 Red Crofts - Anyone especially Barry, Shean, and Evers |
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Hi DJ you show me 15 E97 Blank back proofs because I don't see them
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I think the E121 Gertenrich cards are borderline for inclusion on this because of a large individual listing of about 30(?) on ebay about 15 years ago, each with some paper loss on the back. I imagine there were enough other examples before this find to possibly exclude it from the list. Possibly Rhett would be a good source for all the E121 backs currently on/not on your list.
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Plus 2 on ebay that recently sold (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...p2045573.m1684) Plus 2 more in the recent REA (http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...tledescription) Another listed in h& S (http://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-b...l?itemid=95142) And 2 more in clean sweep (http://www.cleansweepauctions.com/listview.cgi - search for e97s) So I count over 20 now that are either currently for sale or recently sold in the past couple months and I've barely started looking. DJ
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Talking about number 1 Austin, 1 SGC and 1 PSA that's only two cards that's not rare? What is your definition of rare then?
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There population report shows one
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and just to get a little more back on topic. Here are my 2 red crofts
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Just ask anyone on this forum if they have a BB subject with a PIRATE back ? You may be quite surprised how few responses you get. TED Z . |
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And 96 of them are in Richard Masson's collection. Which leaves 15 - 20 for everyone else.
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Only three 1886 Hancock Clothing backs (or fronts) known, one each of Tomney, Buckley and Crothers.
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Hancock Clothing cards don't meet the OP's criterion of being ACC cataloged.
There are several American Caramel back types for the E121/80 set. I would guess that at least one of them might qualify. Rhett, what say you? Val Last edited by ValKehl; 05-16-2016 at 09:21 PM. |
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Burdick never knew about the Hancock Clothing cards--too rare for even him.
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