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Red Cobb survey of all its 30 backs....post your inputs ?
Posted By: Todd
Ted, |
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Here is my only t206 Cobb... I'm bringing it to The National this year. |
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nice Drum Cobb !!! |
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Posted By: Richard
Danno - why are you bringing that to the national? To give to me? |
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Posted By: chiprop
Rmann- You know I don't care too much for Cobb cards or rare backs, except for this one and the one you have. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You asked how many of these Red Cobb's have been graded....I'll see if I can post that info tomorrow. |
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Ted: |
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This may be a stupid question, but why no 150 backs on this list. |
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Ted, |
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Dave |
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a black Lenox and an American Beauty |
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Hey Frank A.... |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I could not have said it any more succinctly than you did. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
My calculation estimates that there are approx. 5000 red Cobb cards in circulation. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I can see you parting with the AMERICAN BEAUTY Cobb....but, why didn't you keep the LENOX ? |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Interesting question Ted. I certainly don't know the answer. You would think that more than 28% of the red Cobbs would have been graded by now. Maybe not though. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Seems likely that several of them would have been resubmitted... As difficult as it will be for us folks here to accept, there are lots of collectors who either know not, or care not, about this board, the cards those folks have would remain unconsidered in this analysis. |
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FRANK W and JIM VB |
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Red Cobb survey of all its 30 backs....post your inputs ?
Posted By: Scott Stiffler
Beckett has graded 64 red Cobbs. I don't think GAI has a pop report that you can access -- at least I can't find one. I suspect the number would be rather small. |
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Posted By: JimB
Sorry for my slow response to this thread. I have two T206 red Cobbs: SC 350 Factory 30 2nd Dist. NY, and Ty Cobb brand back. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for your inputs....you have motivated me to add all 30 white-bordered Red Cobb's to this survey. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Please note that I have expanded this survey to include all 30 backs of the Red Cobb card. |
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Red Cobb survey of all its 30 backs....post your inputs ?
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
I've received two T213 red Cobb inputs and 4 - T206 red Cobb inputs. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
One more round on this survey....let's see how many more red Cobb's can be reported. |
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Red Cobb survey
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Red COBB survey......UPDATED
Adding the the 7 new inputs from prior posts and one more new input.
..1....TY COBB back ..0....1910 COUPON (Type 1) ..1....T213-2 ..1....T213-3 ..0....T214 ..0....T215 T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/1/09 Scarcest group...... ..1....BROAD LEAF 460 ..2....DRUM ..1....HINDU (red) ..4....LENOX (black) ..0....UZIT ..3....SOVEREIGN 460 12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 ..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS ..6....CYCLE 460 ..3....EPDG Next toughest group...... 10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 ..1....CYCLE 350 ..6....SOVEREIGN 350 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25 ..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 ..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt) ..7....TOLSTOI 14....OLD MILL The easier ones...... ..4....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25 25....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30 14....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25 31....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25 17....POLAR BEAR We have a T206 total of 176 inputs....we just might attain that 200 figure yet. We are 88% of the way there. Hey you T206 (or Cobb) collectors out there........please show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards. And, the only T206 back that has yet to be reported is the UZIT....does any one have this one ? Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb. Hey Net54er's....this "card" is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War".... TED Z |
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ted z.
after reading your "tale of two doyles" post, i am quite curious to hear what you might have to say about the rea cobb red old mill psa 5 that ended at more than $7000.00...
does that not seem perhaps a tad overly enthusiastic?
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Mark s
There is no way that anyone can figure out what is in bidder's minds during these auctions. This OLD MILL Cobb
received 30 bids to drive it's price up that high. While another very sweet-looking Red Cobb (PSA7) with a Sweet Cap 350 back got only 17 bids....sold for 4750. This does surprise me, as an OLD MILL back is not that rare on a Red Cobb to warrant such a difference. TED Z |
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Red Cobb survey.....UPDATED
Adding 6 new inputs that were emailed to me from Net54 readers.
..1....TY COBB back ..0....1910 COUPON (Type 1) ..1....T213-2 ..1....T213-3 ..0....T214 ..0....T215 T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/5/09 Scarcest group...... ..1....BROAD LEAF 460 ..2....DRUM ..0....HINDU (red) ..4....LENOX (black) ..0....UZIT ..3....SOVEREIGN 460 12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 ..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS ..6....CYCLE 460 ..3....EPDG Next toughest group...... 10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 ..1....CYCLE 350 ..6....SOVEREIGN 350 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25 ..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 ..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt) ..7....TOLSTOI 14....OLD MILL The easier ones...... ..4....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25 28....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30 15....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25 31....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25 19....POLAR BEAR We have a T206 total of 181 inputs....we just might attain that 200 figure yet. We are 91% of the way there. Hey you T206 (or Cobb) collectors out there........please show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards. Still haven't seen a UZIT back....does any one have this one....I don't think the Red Cobb was printed with it ? Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb. Hey Net54er's....this "card" is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War".... TED Z |
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Can't we include the red Hindu from REA?
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Ted,
Sadly, you can add another Sweet Cap 350/30. |
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If you scan back a page (or more) and check out the prior updates, you will find that it had been tallied.
I have now removed it until a 2nd one is reported. Consider me cautious....but, I have to be certain. Jim....one graded card has already been withdrawn, since it has been deemed suspicious. TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 05-05-2009 at 11:43 AM. |
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Red COBB survey......UPDATED
Adding 7 new inputs........thank you Net54er's.
..1....TY COBB back ..0....1910 COUPON (Type 1) ..1....T213-2 ..1....T213-3 ..0....T214 ..0....T215 T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/7/09 Scarcest group...... ..1....BROAD LEAF 460 ..2....DRUM ..0....HINDU (red) ..4....LENOX (black) ..0....UZIT ..3....SOVEREIGN 460 12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 ..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS ..6....CYCLE 460 ..3....EPDG Next toughest group...... 10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 ..1....CYCLE 350 ..6....SOVEREIGN 350 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25 ..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 ..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt) ..7....TOLSTOI 15....OLD MILL The easier ones...... ..5....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25 30....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30 15....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25 33....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25 20....POLAR BEAR We have a T206 total of 188 inputs....we just might attain that 200 figure yet. We are 94% of the way there. Hey you T206 (or Cobb) collectors out there........please show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards. Still haven't seen a UZIT back....does any one have this one....I don't think the Red Cobb was printed with it ? Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb. Hey Net54er's....this "card" is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War".... TED Z |
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hey ted z-
aren't there TWO broadleaf 460 examples accounted for?
the one in your original entry (you posted a scan of the back), AND brian e.'s from post #10...?
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So far, only one BROAD LEAF 460 red Cobb has been reported.
TED Z |
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Red COBB survey......UPDATED
We could continue this survey till we have 1000 samples and we would not see any significant difference.
The easiest backs would far outnumber the scarcest backs. So, this will be the last "roundabout" (Yes). Six more new inputs added. ..1....TY COBB back ..0....1910 COUPON (Type 1) ..1....T213-2 ..1....T213-3 ..0....T214 ..0....T215 T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/12/09 Scarcest group...... ..1....BROAD LEAF 460 ..2....DRUM ..0....HINDU (red) ..4....LENOX (black) ..0....UZIT ..3....SOVEREIGN 460 12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 ..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS ..6....CYCLE 460 ..3....EPDG Next toughest group...... 10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 ..1....CYCLE 350 ..6....SOVEREIGN 350 ..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 ..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt) ..6....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25 ..8....TOLSTOI 15....OLD MILL The easier ones...... 32....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30 16....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25 34....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25 20....POLAR BEAR We have a T206 total of 194 inputs....we just might attain that 200 figure yet. We are 97% of the way there. Hey you T206 (or Cobb) collectors out there........please show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards. Still haven't seen a UZIT back....does any one have this one....I don't think the Red Cobb was printed with it ? Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb. Hey Net54er's....this "card" is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War".... TED Z |
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survey says... two hundred AND one!
ted-
it is now time to share my seven heretofore uncounted entries... carolina brights lenox old mill polar bear sovereign 460 sweet cap 350 30 tolstoi congratulations on a highly interesting and successful survey!
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Mark S....
Thanks for your 7 red Cobb inputs. That is quite a collection....and now, we have attained the 200+ milestone.
I will update the list later today. TED Z |
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Red Cobb survey.....UPDATED
Adding a 1910 Coupon red Cobb and 12 more T206 new inputs......thanks everyone.
..1....TY COBB back ..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1) ..1....T213-2 ..1....T213-3 ..0....T214 ..0....T215 T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/14/09 Scarcest group...... ..1....BROAD LEAF 460 ..2....DRUM ..0....HINDU (red) ..5....LENOX (black) ..0....UZIT ..4....SOVEREIGN 460 12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 ..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS ..6....CYCLE 460 ..3....EPDG Next toughest group...... 10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 ..1....CYCLE 350 ..6....SOVEREIGN 350 ..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 ..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt) ..7....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25 ..9....TOLSTOI 16....OLD MILL The easier ones...... 33....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30 18....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25 36....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25 22....POLAR BEAR We have a T206 total of 206 inputs.......BINGO....we have finally exceeded 200+ red Cobb's. I'm proud of all of you that participated in this survey. But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed with it ? ? Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb. Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War".... TED Z |
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revival...
this thread needs a jump start, so...
ted- please add another sweet cap 460 factory 42 to the list. furthermore, is it not perhaps time to discuss tweeking the scarcity list somewhat? i would even suggest adding at least one more category... nearly impossible.....broadleaf, drum, hindu, uzit scarce.....................carolina brights, cycle 460, el principe de gales, lenox, sovereign 460 tougher...................american beauty, cycle 350, p 460/42, sovereign 350, sc 350/25, sc 460/25-42-42 op, tolstoi easy.......................old mill, p 460/25, polar bear, sc 460/30 easiest....................p 350, sc 350/30 (since these two backs account for over 38% of all red cobbs surveyed, do they not deserve their own "common" category?)
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Mark S.
Thanks for your input....I thought this thread had vanished.
But, since you bumped it back, I will update it tomorrow, as I have 10 more new inputs to add to this survey. And, I'll give your advice some consideration. TED Z |
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Why is Piedmont 460 Factory 42 listed in the "scarcest" group when the survey shows it is much more common than all but one of the backs in the next easier category?
JimB |
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JimB and Mark S
You guys are picky, picky.....but, I'll tell you what....I will modify the "scarcity" levels when I update this survey
later today. Thanks for your suggestions. TED Z |
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Red Cobb survey
Nine new T206 red Cobb inputs......thanks everyone.
..1....TY COBB back ..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1) ..1....T213-2 ..1....T213-3 ..0....T214 ..0....T215 T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/26/09 Scarcest group...... ..1....BROAD LEAF 460 ..2....DRUM ..0....HINDU (red) ..5....LENOX (black) ..0....UZIT ..4....SOVEREIGN 460 ..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS ..6....CYCLE 460 ..3....EPDG Next toughest group...... 10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 ..1....CYCLE 350 12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 ..6....SOVEREIGN 350 ..3....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 ..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt) ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25 ..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25 ..9....TOLSTOI The easier ones...... 16....OLD MILL 19....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25 10....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30 The easiest ones...... 34....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30 38....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25 24....POLAR BEAR We have a T206 total of 217 inputs.......BINGO....we have finally exceeded 200+ red Cobb's. I'm proud of all of you that participated in this survey. But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed with it ? ? Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb. Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War".... TED Z |
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I currently have a Tolstoi Red Cobb.
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well, ted... it's been a month.
do you have any survey updates for us?
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The percentage of Cobb (Red) examples with the Piedmont 42 back appears to exceed by a large margin the overall percentage of 350/460 subjects that bear the Piedmont 42 reverse. I have noticed this trend for years, but can't explain it. I would caution against modifying any back scarcity rankings based on a Cobb (Red) survey; Cobb (Red) seems to be an outlier when it comes to Piedmont 42.
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Red Cobb survey of all its 30 backs....post your inputs ?
MARK S
Ahh.....funny that you should ask.....just the other day, I tallied up all the Red Cobb's I have seen since this thread was last up on the board. Thanx for kicking up this Cobb survey. SCOT R You observed....."The percentage of Cobb (Red) examples with the Piedmont 42 back appears to exceed by a large margin the overall percentage of 350/460 subjects that bear the Piedmont 42 reverse. I have noticed this trend for years, but can't explain it." The Red portrait Cobb was American Lithographic's "signature picture" for its white-bordered cards. Many of the 30 various Tobacco advertising backs, that it exists with, were double (or triple) printed. With Cobb leading the Major Leagues with .377, .385 and .420 in 1909, 1910 and 1911, respectively......the Red Cobb was the "chase card" of the 1910-1917 era. I will be updating this survey today. TED Z |
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