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I love your videos, Keith. You get directly to the point and I find them very easy to follow.
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Keith respectfully is there anyway and or interest in setting up at all the major card shows across this great country with these videos and the blowout discoveries threads posted on large computer screens above said table/booth ?
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Nice Keith, glad to see we both are looking out for the hobby..
maraca cards... Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-23-2019 at 03:21 PM. |
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Wow Agree Mark !! These guys, the cutters, look for oversized cards to Slice and Dice. |
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Thanks for the warm welcome guys...sincerely appreciate it! I've been working on videos on the trimming and altering fraud for months and plan to continue. There are times when I am stuck because of a lack of knowledge about the Hobby and it would be helpful to have some help from the users here during those moments. Thanks again!
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An absolutely incredible job! It is amazing the time and effort you put into this and I believe this will be very helpful to many people. Thank you very much!
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This Board has lamented on the apparent lack of knowledge of this scandal by the general collecting public, and has theorized what significantly increased public knowledge might have on the market value of high grade PSA-slabbed cards. Have you ever considered reaching out to 60 minutes or some similar journalistic outlet about this matter? If a national news company was to air your video, augmented by additional reporting, that could generate public exposure of sufficient magnitude to be a catalyst to significantly advance the weeding out this fraud and bringing to justice those involved. Last edited by benjulmag; 11-24-2019 at 06:40 AM. |
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We should have a Mt. Rushmore for Maraca cards..with a mexican theme....maybe use famous mexican moutain range.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 11-24-2019 at 07:23 AM. |
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I gave up on trying to make a pun using Cheevers.
Presented without comment. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=27
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Then again, they may not.
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Have you read the Eagle Eye Joe thread about BGS and Joe Clemons. I bet you'd have a better winnable case with that one.
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right besides a few things..most things in life are always uncertain. Can only go by the cards (trimmed or not) that are dealt
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That's a good question. One thing I am thinking on is provenance. Most of my slabs are self-submitted cards and I am preserving the records of those submissions for future resale. Art is often tracked through its owners, so why not top cards? We already have provenance of specific finds on flips (e.g., Black Swamp, Lionel Carter, etc.). That should be more common. If I know the submitter as trustworthy, that should provide a great deal of confidence.
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My own system (for PSA cards anyhow) makes me wonder if it's even worth it, it's such a PITA.
1. If offered by certain sellers, stop right there. 2. If serial number on PSA website shows first sale by certain sellers, stop right there. 3. Review scan thoroughly and if any doubt, pass. 4. If significant card, ask a couple of people whose opinions I value. 5. If still in the game at that point, check my spreadsheet of outed cards to see if in range suggesting it's likely from the same sub. If yes, probably stop or at least look into surrounding certs for anything suspicious. 6. Even if not in range of any outed card, if significant card, check surrounding certs for anything suspicious. Ridiculous it's come to this.
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I’ve been saying this for over a year now.....It’s much better for me to be card/slabbed card less then cash less. I could care less if I missed any upside....My personal opinion is everything is priced in and topped out if I miss it so be it I do not like this market’s current state one bit.....it’s much better to have cash on the sidelines then any slabs.
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I find REA To have the most integrity of all major/large auction houses. Everyone is criticizing them with having graded altered cards....why isn’t anyone placing blame/criticizing PSA. PSA hasn’t had to answer for anything .....it’s a double standard and total BS |
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It seems PSA only cares about the major altering business rather than collectors. This is disgraceful another depressing page turns sour. Last edited by Johnny630; 11-24-2019 at 08:36 PM. |
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I have no doubt that PSA fights tooth and nail in individual cases to justify not paying people, but I have serious doubt that they have disclaimed the guarantee totally.
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Buying raw, low grade. Doing my own research on provenance. Since May have stopped buying graded cards, except low grade and low value, unless there is collection provenance. Won’t collect based on TPG card grade again until someone builds a better mousetrap, including transparency and traceability.
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To me the more likely scenario is PSA issuing a refund and then going after PWCC for violating the terms of service by submitting altered cards.
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Yeah, it's edging closer to just being ruined. The lack of any meaningful response from the TPG's is probably going to be the final straw at some point.
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The PSA Guarantee of Grade and Authenticity This policy is fundamental to PSA's concept of third-party grading. It ensures the accuracy of the grade assigned to any PSA-graded card as long as the card remains in its tamper-evident holder. PSA also guarantees that all cards submitted to it shall be graded in accordance with PSA grading standards and under the procedures of PSA. https://www.psacard.com/about/whypsa/ and checking their Grading Standards, they still regard these modifications as ungradable: PSA will not grade cards that bear evidence of trimming, re-coloring, restoration, or any other forms of tampering, or are of questionable authenticity. https://www.psacard.com/resources/gr...andards/#cards So legally, (although I'm not a lawyer) I can't see how they can weasel their way out of this and I'd recommend that all PSA collectors to print out the guarantee and Ungradable Card grading standards for their own protection for future disputes.
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