Show us your AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards ?

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Posted By: James Feagin

How much do common AB 460's usually go for in mid-grade?

James

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

If ebay is your metric, and given that it's graded, and if the bidder is a collector of the AB 460 backs,
a Vg-Ex (PSA 4) card will range between $100 - $200. I've seen some brisk bidding drive the price up
to $250 for such a common.

At shows, for an ungraded AB 460 card, I usually sell a Vg-Ex one for $75 - $100.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Comparing the AB 460 list with the CYCLE 460 list, I find essentially the same subjects are in both lists. The
Cycle 460 has a slight edge over the AB 460 with 87 confirmed subjects. I fully expect that, the AB 460 will
total approx. 75 confirmed when all is said and done.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Please check out your collections of unusual T206 backs with the Updated list (7/23/07) to see
if we can confirm at least a dozen more players with the American Beauty 460 backs.

TED Z

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Posted By: Mike Brailey

I have a Schaefer, Washington - American Beauty 460.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your Schaefer input, he makes it 35 cards from the 460-only series.

Only 13 more to go to complete this last series with AB 460 backs.

How about it Net54er's, let's have some more inputs on this T-brand ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Marc S.

a McQuillan bat...

No one out there can confirm that a Magee bat or Doolan bat exist...?

Marc

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Posted By: quan

just looked through my collection picking out stuff to sell and see that my lajoie batting is a 460 non-frame back.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED....7/25/07....confirmed American Beauty 460 subjects = 62

Abbaticcio (Blue sleeves) ---- 460-only
Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Bergen (catching) ---- 460-only
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Bridwell (cap) ---- 460-only
Burch (fielding)
Camnitz (hands up) ---- 460-only
Chance (batting) ---- 460-only
Chase (Trophy) ---- 460-only
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crandall (cap) ---- 460-only
Crawford (batting)
Devore ---- 460-only
Doyle (portrait) ---- 460-only
Duffy ---- 460-only
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Ford ---- 460-only
Frill ---- 460-only
Gandil ---- 460-only
Geyer ---- 460-only
Howell (hands at waist) ---- 460-only
Hummell ---- 460-only
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dancing)
Jordan (batting)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (No ball)
Latham ---- 460-only
Leach (bending)
Leifield (batting)
Marquard (follow thru) ---- 460-only
Manning (pitching)
McGraw (glove at hip) ---- 460-only
McQuillan (bat)
Meyers ---- 460-only
Mullin (bat)
Needham ---- 460-only
Oldring (batting) ---- 460-only
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Payne ---- 460-only
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer ---- 460-only
Pfeister (throwing)
Schaefer (Washington) ---- 460-only
Schulte (back view) ---- 460-only
Sheckard (glove shows) ---- 460-only
Schlei (batting) ---- 460-only
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston) ---- 460-only
H. Smith (Brooklyn) ---- 460-only
Snodgrass (catching)
Steinfeldt (batting)
Stovall (batting) ---- 460-only
Tannehill (Chicago No "L") ---- 460-only
Tinker (bat off)
Tinker (bat on) ---- 460-only
Wagner (bat on right)
Wheat ---- 460-only
Willetts
Wiltse (Portrait w/Cap) ---- 460-only

Series breakdown

350/460 = 27
460-only= 35

Hey Guys and Gals, I know there are more of these AB 460's out there....so, tell us about yours ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

QUAN

Nice going....Thanks for your input on Lajoie....tough card to find with AB 460 back.

Lajoie has been added to the list, which now totals 62 cards.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Just to update this thread, I looked at 600+ T206's at the National and did not find any additional AB 460 cards to add to this list.

I brought to the show about 40 - AB 350 cards and all of them were sold by Thursday. I'd say these cards are very popular with
the collectors.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: George Gogol II

Thanks to my son who got me interested in T206's. At the Nat. I picked up Clark Griffith w/bat American Beauty 350 no border. Then I have a Bill Carrigan American Beauty 350 with border. I did not see these on your list. Thanks again from a rookie collector.

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Posted By: cmoking

I have these that aren't on the list yet, all with Frames 350 except for the Sweeney:

Barry
Clymer
Davidson
Easterly
Hoffman, Danny
Moeller
Ritter
Sweeney, Jeff No Frames

Here are a couple of scans

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Posted By: Rob

Nice cards, cmoking! However, I believe Ted's list is for AB 460s, not 350s.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

KING and ROB

No problem guys....there is a relationship between the American Beauty 350 and 460 cards;
and, I'm studying it.

I was thinking of expanding this survey to include the AB 350 (frame & no frame) cards.

Thanks for bringing back this thread to the top.

TED Z

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Posted By: cmoking

oops, sorry about that.

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Posted By: Josh Wulkan

Ted,
just wanted to let you know that we just got a large collection of T206s in for our upcoming auction. I remembered seeing some AB 460s in the lot so I went and double checked them. Both of the guys that we have are not on your list of ABs
We have a Vic Willis Bat on Shoulder and a Neal Ball Hands at chest.

They will be included in our next auction in some form of an American Beauty lot.

Hope that helps.
Josh
www.hugginsandscott.com

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JOSH W

Thanks for the new inputs.....I will add them to the list when I update it.

Ball and Willis raises the total to 64......getting closer to my prediction of about 75 subjects with AB 460 backs.

TED Z

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Posted By: Danny Grimes

I have this one Jake Stahl AB 350. Im not sure how to determine if he's in the 460 series but i hope this helps.

Danny

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Posted By: Craig D

Ted,

I have two more for your list: Camnitz (arm at side) and Lake StL AL w/ball.

Great backs.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

UPDATED......9/7/07......confirmed American Beauty 460 subjects = 67

Abbaticcio (Blue sleeves) ---- 460-only
Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Ball (Clev) ---- 460-only
Bergen (catching) ---- 460-only
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Bridwell (cap) ---- 460-only
Burch (fielding)
Camnitz (hands up) ---- 460-only
Camnitz (arms at side) ---- 460-only
Chance (batting) ---- 460-only
Chase (Trophy) ---- 460-only
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crandall (cap) ---- 460-only
Crawford (batting)
Devore ---- 460-only
Doyle (portrait) ---- 460-only
Duffy ---- 460-only
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Ford ---- 460-only
Frill ---- 460-only
Gandil ---- 460-only
Geyer ---- 460-only
Howell (hands at waist) ---- 460-only
Hummell ---- 460-only
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (dancing)
Jordan (batting)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (No ball)
Lake (with ball) ---- 460-only
Latham ---- 460-only
Leach (bending)
Leifield (batting)
Marquard (follow thru) ---- 460-only
Manning (pitching)
McGraw (glove at hip) ---- 460-only
McQuillan (bat)
Meyers ---- 460-only
Mullin (bat)
Needham ---- 460-only
Oldring (batting) ---- 460-only
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Payne ---- 460-only
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer ---- 460-only
Pfeister (throwing)
Schaefer (Washington) ---- 460-only
Schulte (back view) ---- 460-only
Sheckard (glove shows) ---- 460-only
Schlei (batting) ---- 460-only
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston) ---- 460-only
H. Smith (Brooklyn) ---- 460-only
Snodgrass (catching)
Steinfeldt (batting)
Stovall (batting) ---- 460-only
Tannehill (Chicago No "L") ---- 460-only
Tinker (bat off)
Tinker (bat on) ---- 460-only
Wagner (bat on right)
Wheat ---- 460-only
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (Portrait w/Cap) ---- 460-only
Wiltse (throwing)

Series breakdown

350/460 = 29
460-only= 38

Hey Net54er's, I know there are more of these AB 460's out there....show or tell us about yours ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks JOSH and CRAIG for your inputs....they have been added to the list.

DANNY

Your Stahl also can be found with a American Beauty 460 back.

TED Z

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Posted By: MikeB

I have Wiltse throwing in AB460

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Posted By: Brian Collie

I am in Europe right now away from the card, but my Lajoie is an AB - just not sure what series.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for your inputs....they have been added to the list.

TED Z