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Posted By: Kyle
I don't know how to reitterate what happened any more. If you think I'm not telling you the "truth" as to what happened, fine.. believe that, but please don't portray me as being dishonest. |
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Posted By: Kyle
Oh gosh if you're going to bring up the Larry Block crap, you are no better than Larry. If you'd like me to copy and paste all 5 emails from Larry apologizing for being terrible in the deal, I will. But now you're just being wrong. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Kyle: my point is not that you are not being truthful but this: if you want people to give an opinion on a situation that means anything, you need to give them ALL the relevant facts not just selective ones. You STILL haven't mentioned what cards are involved, or what the reason for the misunderstanding as to value is. |
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Posted By: Daniel Bretta
Here's a clue for all of you guys trying to get people to end auctions early: |
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Posted By: DJ
Dan, you are 100% correct. Bravo! |
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Posted By: Kyle
Peter, I did tell you the misunderstanding of the value: both of us did not know what cards they were. Neither had seen them before. |
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Posted By: rob
You admit trying to do a deal off ebay, which is against the rules. I don't dispute your facts at all, but put them into a full context you don't refute. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Well at least you now admit why you won't identify. Earlier you claimed "I will identify after today, I am just giving the seller another day to make good." |
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Posted By: Kyle
I do have all the images from the original and current listing. Thats how I was able to clearly see they are the identical cards. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I'm not Kreskin, but even I figured out that the real reason he wasn't giving details about the exact card or the dealer was that the card he wanted was in a current auction and didn't want others looking at it and thinking about bidding on it. Given the recent history of pointing out active auctions, no one but new posters are going to mentioning live auctions. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Jay, of course that is the real reason, not the one he originally claimed (giving the seller time to make good before he "outed" him). |
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Posted By: Kyle
Both are reasons. |
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Posted By: DJ
This is an interesting thread. |
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Posted By: Kyle
I emailed the seller asking if these are the same cards I had purchased last August. This morning I finally got this response: |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Miraculously the cards weren't damaged haha. Ask him for a scan of the package. |
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Posted By: Kyle
I am fairly sure he is lying and wouldn't be able to produce a picture. Or he'd say his camera is broken. Plus, after 5 months and now they magically show up, its obvious he was never truthful. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
I think I may use this fact scenario for my final exam next semester! I'm sure a bunch of 1Ls would love it! |
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Posted By: Steve
For some strange reason Larry Block is looking a lil better today. |
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Posted By: Daniel Bretta
Kyle, if you'd just let the auction run its course 5 months ago you might have the cards already. |
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Posted By: Kyle
That deal is over, the card has been returned and everything is fine now. But if you're seriously going to bring that up into this, here, enjoy: |
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Posted By: Kyle
Hey Daniel, |
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Posted By: Daniel Bretta
STOP DOING IT - YOU'RE MAKING THOSE OF US WHO PLAY BY THE RULES MAD! |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I don't know the facts of the original agreement or purhase and it should be in no way construed that I am accusing either original buyer or seller of cheating. But, as a rule of thumb, I don't think people who cheat should complain about others cheating. If (and I say if) the original purchase ended an auction early when there were active bidders and was consumated off eBay against eBay's rules, the buyer not only okayed but presumably inititated some of the seller's rule breaking. It would be difficult to stomach if the buyer, out no money, later claimed he was wronged because he didn't okay all the cheating. |
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Posted By: Steve
And to think this is a HOBBY. |
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Posted By: rob
A sale takes place as a result of an Ebay listing where Ebay doesn't get a commission for the sale. Fits your precise definition of "defraud". Thats where the dishonesty comes in. That Ebay is a gang of monopolistic jerks that jack up commissions at will can be an excellent rationalization for such dishonesty, but its not justification. |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
I'm with Dan on this one, I have no sympathy for a bad transaction if you have to break the rules to do it. |
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Posted By: Kyle
I am fine with all the comments and I like hearing everyone's opinion on the matter. It broadens my view on the topic. But I do take exception to the ones about my history. I don't have any negative history. I've run a string of bad luck with choosing the wrong people to deal with, but as far as credibility goes, I've got nothing against me... and trying to tie that into a thread I believe is wrong. |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
Kyle, |
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Posted By: Steve
ok..............Larry also said this: |
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Posted By: Kyle
Steve, |
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Posted By: Steve
Kyle |
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Posted By: Kyle
Thanks for your wishes, same to you and your family. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Dan: you da man; I totally agree w/r/t ending auctions early--it is creepy. I posted some stuff during dime day and I've been deluged with end it early inquiries. Frankly, since ebay tells you how many people are watching your auctions, I would have to be crazy to end an auction early if several people are watching it. I especially have to laugh when the end it early message offers me less than my minimum bid. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
Hope everything works out well in the end. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
1. It's about a sneak undermining an eBay auction. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Thanks Todd - my point exactly. |
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Posted By: Kyle
Here's the cards and the seller. I had originally bought them for $160. We both didn't know what they were and worked out the deal. Five months later: |
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Posted By: zach
Man, 1300 for those was a steal. Just the Jones and the Ruth combined are worth over 2k. |
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Posted By: Joann
Wow. I don't even know about these kinds of cards, but between the scans (which he organized very well) and the sell price, you must be just sick about it. $160. Wow. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Kyle, |
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Posted By: Kyle
I didn't know those were the Doughnut Co. cards until September... I searched and searched and searched online until one day I trickled across the SGC set registry (was searching for Rockne and Grange). Later I came across an old Mastronet auction and their identities were 100% confirmed. Had I known what they were and their value, I could have offered more. I am being honest here, I would not low ball a person like that. Getting a good deal is one thing, but trying to screw someone out of a lot of money is another. |
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Posted By: Kyle
The thing is is that the seller said he shipped them the day before he went on his honeymoon. After returning a week later, I contacted him about the package as I hadn't received it. He said give it a few more days, I did, and then he refunded my money. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Kyle, |
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Posted By: rob
We all know that these are 1937 Doughnut Corporation of America cards. Even with the relist, the cards weren't properly described nor in optimal categories. Still looks like a good buy, given the prices realized in recent Ebay, Mastronet and Lew Lipset auctions (which seem nutty). As for Kyle claiming he didn't know what the cards were when he persuaded the seller to end an auction early, do you really think you're fooling anyone here? |
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Posted By: zach
Now that I see these cards, I can't believe you offered him 3 dollars a card. Even if you didnt know what they were like you claim, 3 dollars a card ? I am with Fred and the person probably got an email stating what they were really worth. Come on man, not trying to be hard on you but do you really think offering a guy 3 bucks for a babe ruth or bobby jones card was fair ? |
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Posted By: Steve
............and then he (seller) had a sick feeling.... |
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Posted By: Josh K.
I got to disagree with you yet again. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
By the way, if someone told me their 5 year old drew those cards, I'd have believed him. So less than three bucks for a crappy ruth - sure, I have no problem with that. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Kyle didn't do anything wrong making the guy an offer (leaving aside the ebay rule) unless he KNEW they were worth more, and I believe him when he says he didn't, and the seller should have kept his promise as a matter of contract law. There was no mistake about the subject matter of the bargain, just the value, and in that case a deal is a deal. That said, when you consider all the facts and circumstances, it's hard to blame the seller for backing out, and I think Kyle should have been more understanding about why he did and not tried to get something for nothing. |
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Posted By: Dan Koteles
what happened to possession is 9/10 of the law??? |
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