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Old 12-28-2024, 03:43 PM
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I randomly came across the baseball reference page for t206 player Charles Seitz and realized he passed away in August 1980 when I was 2 years old, making him the only player from the set (that I am aware of) who’s life overlapped with mine.
Thought this was cool and frightening all at the same time! Were there any others who lived into the 1980s? Couldn’t seem to find that info.

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Rube Marquard was the last living T206 subject that played in the major leagues he died on June 1 1980.
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Thanks for that Pat. So Seitz died in August 1980, a couple months later. Although he did not play in majors, would he be last player from the set to pass away?
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Not the same question but the oldest living Old Judge subject, Dummy Hoy, died in 1961 at the ripe old age of 99.
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Jay…to take that a step further,
If you were 10 years old when you (hypothetically) met Hoy, you would only be about 74 today. So there are probably still plenty of living people who personally knew an Old Judge player. That blows my mind!
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Jay…to take that a step further,
If you were 10 years old when you (hypothetically) met Hoy, you would only be about 74 today. So there are probably still plenty of living people who personally knew an Old Judge player. That blows my mind!
We are probably close to the point where very few people are left who remember seeing Cobb, In addition of course to retaining long-term memory, I think you would have had to be maybe 7 or 8 at the time to truly remember (his last year was 1928), so born 1920 or 1921. Ruth played through 1935, so probably quite a few folks left in their late 90s who recall seeing him play. That's pretty amazing to me.
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So this 1983 article while preparing to record my latest YouTube video.
No better place than the post here.

I am copying and pasting from a photograph of the magazine using an iPhone . Excuse any formatting issues.
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T- 206 "REST in PEACE"
BY BILL HABER
Fall 1983 issue of “baseball card - hobby report”.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Bill Haber can be reached at 1518
East 29th Street, Brooklyn, New York 11234, and would like to hear from anyone with information regarding the whereabouts or deaths of any obscure former Major League player.

IN JUNE 1, 1980, when Rube Marquard died, he represented the last survivor of the 358 major leaguers featured in T-206. That is, with an asterisk. There remained one obstacle to be overcome until all those players could be accounted for. That one obstacle was Louis "Bull" Durham, major league pitcher from 1904 through 1909 who was featured in T-206 as a member of the New York (National) Giants.

As of 1969, there were ten players featured in T-206 who were listed among the "missing". With the help of the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) based in Cooperstown, New York, nine of those ten players were found, or, to be specific, their unreported deaths were located. Through painstaking efforts on the part of SABR members, Rube Geyer, Heinie Batch, Jerry Freeman, Bill Graham, Jack McAleese, Pat Paige, Lee Quillen, Ike Rockenfield and John White were ultimately found. Bull Durham remained the last mystery to be solved among this elite group honored by depiction in this tobacco series.

The Encyclopedia of Baseball states that Louis G. "Bull" Durham was born in Bolivar, New York in 1881 and was a brother of James Garfield "Jim-my" Durham, a pitcher-outfielder with the Chicago White Sox in 1902. Both facts ultimately proved incorrect. In reading newspaper accounts of the travels of Bull Durham during his baseball career, one would learn that he was married about 1907 and that he spent the winter of 1906-07 studying law in Geneva, Ohio. A marriage record could not be found, nor could any such learning institution located in or near Geneva, Ohio be located. Bull Durham enjoyed a long and extensive minor league career, and much was written about him between 1904 and 1913, but nothing of any substance could be learned about him until October of 1982.

At that time, Ray Nemec of Naperville, II-linois located a note in a 1906 Pennsylvania newspaper indicating that Bull Durham's correct name at birth was Charles Staub. This reference was reported to Al Kermisch of Alexandria, Virginia with whom the name Staub rung a bell. Al checked his extensive files of minor leaguers and found that our man's correct name was actually Louis Staub, a righthanded pitcher he had traced through the 1900-02 seasons. Staub was last shown in the records of Al Kermisch to have been pitching at McSherrystown, Pennsylvania in
August of 1902, so Al made an additional effort to turn up a note or two about him.

It was in early January of 1983 when Al turned up the note which proved most significant. A newspaper item had indicated that Staub was born in New Oxford, Pennsylvania in 1879. Upon learning this, a check was made of the current New Oxford telephone directory, only to find nearly one column of Staubs. A call was placed to three such numbers, strictly at random. The third of the three was able to refer the caller to a woman in York, Pennsylvania who has compiled a genealogical study of all the Staubs of southeastern Pennsylvania dating back to the 1700's.

A call to this woman resulted in the learning of Staub's correct birth data. He was born Louis Raphael Staub in New Oxford, Pennsylvania, June 27, 1877, the eighth of nine children. Subsequent efforts resulted in the locating of two daughters of the ballplayer. They reported that their father died in Bentley, Kansas, June 28, 1960, one day after his 83rd birthday. He had changed his name to Louis Staub Durham in late 1902, and continued to use the pseudonym for the rest of his life.

When asked the reason why Mr. Staub chose the name "Bull Durham" upon deciding to change his name, the two daughters were of the opinion that their father had taken a liking to the smoking tobacco of the day. What they didn't know was that he was a teammate of Jimmy Durham at Cedar Rapids in 1902 and the two had developed a close friendship. They were also teammates at Louisville in 1907 and were pictured alongside one another on the Louisville team photo. They also didn't know that thier father, upon settling in Kansas in 1926, chose to live the rest of his life in Jimmy's home state. And, they didn't know that their father's early occupation of being a patent medicine specialist was closely related to Jimmy's occupation of pharmacist. Is it possible that Bull worked for Jimmy in some capacity during the years? And, did he idolize Jimmy enough to honor him by adopting his sirname?

These questions probably will never be answered. However, it's nice to know that the T-206 series can now rest in peace.




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