1962 Jell-O Pudding Cards - Help

[Kenmarks]

Looking for some help if I could from 1962 Jell-O set collectors.

In 1962, Jell-O issued cards on the back of its Gelatin flavors and additionally on 5 Pudding flavors. (In 1963 the company only issued cards on Gelatin flavors). There is no known listing of the various Jell-O boxes each of the players appeared on like there is with the 63s (and really all Post Cereal issues). As such, much less is know about this set. Several collectors are working on tracking a player to flavor listing individually based on seeing complete boxes on internet sites such as eBay. And while certainly positive, success has been limited. Hence today's request.

Cards from Pudding flavors are are a bit unique and can be identified separately for Gelatin flavor cards. They all (regardless of flavor) have a more glossy finish that is a bit dark. They also all have a gold color that is the background color to the statistics area of the card at the bottom (as opposed to a generally, but not always for some Gelatin flavors, a lighter yellow color). Pudding cards do not have a black-line border on the left side of the card, just the other three sides. So that is the start of this request in asking what cards in your collection that you believe could have come from a pudding box.

The second part of this request is if you can tell the pudding flavor of your card. And this is kind of a matter of luck and how the card was cut. All flavors of pudding had a bit of a different packaging design than their Gelatin counterparts in that rather than white coloring on the box outside the black border line (Gelatin cards), there was coloring in some places outside the edge of the Pudding cards. And if the card was cut outside the border in those specific places, you can tell it is a pudding card for sure AND THE FLAVOR OF THE PUDDING THE CARD CAME FROM.

Pudding cards were produced with a color outside the card on the entire left side and the top roughly top 60% of the card on the right side (outside top and bottom along with the bottom 40% of the right side of a coming from a Pudding flavor will be white. If you can see a color on a card in these places (and you may need a magnifying glass) then it came from a pudding flavor without question. Blue coloring ties to Vanilla Pudding. Pink coloring ties to Coconut Cream Pudding. Yellow Coloring means Lemon Pudding. Light brown is Butterscotch. And a darker burnt reddish is Chocolate flavor. I would estimate that in the neighborhood of 50% of pudding cards are cut in a manner that one can see some small portion of the color today.

Now there are some players that can fake you out a bit as they have the darker gold statistical background. Some of Elston Howard and Maury Wills cards come to mind. But I would not worry about that. The best way to tell if it is available is if the card has a left black border present in any part of the card ... which indicates it is not a Pudding card.

Hopefully this is clear enough. I am asking that collectors who have cards in this set, if you would be so nice as to examine those cards to see if any might be from Pudding flavors and if you can tell, what that flavor is. Not asking folks to go outside their own material. For example, I regularly and for a long time, have searched the internet for pictures of boxes that showed a flavor a player appeared on in the set. So no effort in this area necessary, just your own stuff.

Recognize that there is a very limited number of collectors of this set, so information is likely minimal. But figured can't hurt to ask. Thanks guys.

[tulsaboy]

My dad has what remains of his "album" that (I believe) was distributed alongside the Post and Jell-O cards that you could past your cards into. It is pretty full. If I have time, I could take a look there. They are in "as-cut by a 10 year old" condition, so you might get lucky. If I can borrow them from him I will scan the pages and post for you.
kevin

[Kenmarks]

That would be great Kevin. Much appreciated. Am always trying to research this issue and it is pretty tough. I do have a lot of these cards which allows me to look for things such as variations in the picture of a players cards which indicates he came on more than one Jell-O flavor. As such, always looking for more cards to do this analysis. So also if you did want to sell any cards, I would be interested even if the condition is sketchy. While condition matters, I will say I have no problem with off-condition cards since this is as much for research as it is for collecting. You have a good day.

[Kenmarks]

One more thing Kevin. If you do find anything of interest, you are welcome to contact me directly as opposed to going thru the Net54 site. (I find that a bit cumbersome).

My contact information is: Ken Marks 916 508-7872 bwnrot@aol.com

[whiteymet]

Ken is unable to post photos here on Net 54 so he asked for my help. Hopefully this will help anyone to ID which boxes/cards they have

He wrote:

Pudding box on the left and gelatin box on the right. Pretty easy to see the coloring difference between the two. Because the Aparicio is a lemon box of pudding, that color is yellow. I don’t know if it comes out in the picture but you can also see the distinct difference in the yellow/gold background in the stat area

[swarmee]

Those images are great for illustration purposes. I presume you've already scoured all the cards listed on COMC currently for sale? If you add SOLD OUT listings, you may see even more.

[Kenmarks]

John--looking at those cards and the colors they appear to me indicate the first Mantle (tan) came from Butterscotch Pudding. The next two Mantles came from Chocolate Pudding with the burnt red coloring on the side. And the Mays appears to be the same color as the first Mantle making that card of him a Butterscotch card.

[sflayank]

malzone lemon pie filling
wynn lime jello

[swarmee]

Current/Completed eBay listings:
#5 Mickey Mantle:

#9 Whitey Ford

#11 John Blanchard

#47 Nellie Fox

#122 Frank Robinson

#142 Willie Mays

#188 Ernie Banks

[swarmee]

Collectors.com:
#58 Frank Malzone

#92 Norm Siebern


Heritage archive:
#149 Hank Aaron


Sterling:
#114 Duke Snider


Dave's Vintage Cards:
#85 Harmon Killebrew


There is a mention of a #6 Roger Maris Pudding Full box, but I didn't see the picture.

Worthpoint:
#27 Jim Gentile
#83 Bob Allison

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[Baseballcrazy62]

Found this Siebern the other day.92137F94-8F1B-4D0E-9666-BEF52FCFFA42.jpg

[Kenmarks]

Nice Mike. Maybe a week ago, Wayne had shot me a picture too of a Siebern card where you could tell it was a chocolate pudding flavor by the color that was barely visible, but allowed one to determine the flavor. Then I see this one which I think is just great as your card has the entire side panel with the flavor showing. Wonderful card!! Thanks for sharing as until recently I was aware that Siebern made an appearance on a pudding box, but not which flavor.

[swarmee]

Siebern is up in my post above as well, same flavor. The worthpoint picture has been buggy (not showing up this morning, back this evening), so I'll say that it looks like both Gentile and Allison have Chocolate boxes as well based on the color sliver visible in the picture.

[Promethius88]

Ken, I will have to take a look thru my set now that I am back home and settled in. I know the Mantle that I picked up at the National was a Lemon pudding but that is one you are already well aware of. The Maury Wills and Whitey Ford were both gelatin as they have the black border on the left edge. Anyhow, I'll look thru in the next day or so.

Tim

[pingman59]

Hope this helps. Obviously not a pudding card, just don't know what gelatin flavor.

[Baseballcrazy62]

Ken: I am waiting for 22-23 62 Jell-o’s to come back from PSA. When those get back to me I will post anything that may help you. I will try and go through the rest of the 62 Jell-o’s I have as well and post anything that may help you. Thanks for your diligent work regarding these issues.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by Baseballcrazy62

Ken: I am waiting for 22-23 62 Jell-o’s to come back from PSA. When those get back to me I will post anything that may help you. I will try and go through the rest of the 62 Jell-o’s I have as well and post anything that may help you. Thanks for your diligent work regarding these issues.

I know some think it is horrible, but I am ecstatic that people are having these cards slabbed! I know that the vast majority of the folks that own them will probably never have them slabbed, but I think helps to give an idea of what the more difficult cards are. When I started subbing them about a year and a half ago, there were fewer than 300 cards in the PSA pop report. Now there are nearly 800 and I expect that number to reach 1k by the end of the year!

[skil55voy]

Here is my Mathews with blue past the border making it a probable Vanilla pudding. The other 2 are just for show

[skil55voy]

Sorry, file didn't load. Will try later.

[Kenmarks]

Mike--really looking forward to seeing your Mathews. While I had identified him as having appeared on a pudding box, never had any evidence which flavor(s) it might be. Very good and much appreciated.