Negative experience with Billyscards

[JoeDfan]

Recently, I made a deal with Billyscards for the Hanna Ruth bat he had listed here on Net54.
It was kind of an "odd" deal, because I had to wait to pay him like two weeks. But in the end, that deal went ok, and I got the bat just fine. So I have no problem with that. And I LOVE the bat.

But then he had a nice Gehrig photo for sale, and I emailed him to ask about it. We finally made the deal for the photo. He takes down his auction, but said we had to finalize the deal after the weekend.
Then I wait until after the weekend, and no word. So I email to ask about it.
He emails me back:

Sorry for delay. So here is the deal.. ALS and Gehrig hold a special spot with our family and I mentioned to the wife about selling these and she is giving me a hard time (even though the cash sounds nice). I need to work on her a little more but may end up hanging on to these. I’m sorry for misleading but hope you understand.

Ok. Fine, I understand. Some items I have I would have a hard time parting with. That makes sense, even though I am disappointed.

Until today, which is SEVEN DAYS LATER, and he has it RELISTED on eBay for TWICE THE PRICE.

I get it if you don't want to sell something, but as many of you know, I sold some of my stuff to finance the deal. That just feels SMARMY to me to not be enough of a stand up guy to tell me the real truth.

I am not saying he ripped me off, because no money changed hands.
I just guess that Gehrig and ALS holds a special spot with him, UNLESS HE CAN GET MORE MONEY.

I just wanted to let people know my experience, in case they were thinking of doing business with this person.

Since I am still fuming, I guess it is also totally possible that I am in the wrong here (I know, I could have waited to sell my stuff, so that one is on me, not him).
If I am, please feel free to let me know, and maybe I will calm down. Lord knows I have been wrong before! Lol.

[bnorth]

That sucks my friend. I would just add him to your list of people not to deal with and move on. If you don't have a list, make one, stuff shouldn't trump anything.

[bobbyw8469]

Smary move......he sounds like an ass.

[pokerplyr80]

Along the lines with the guy who agreed to sell a 51 Mantle here and then backed out because the one he was buying fell through. Only at least he didn't use his wife as an excuse to Jack up the price. Unless there is another side to this story this guy sounds like someone who should be permanently banned from the BST.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Along the lines with the guy who agreed to sell a 51 Mantle here and then backed out because the one he was buying fell through. Only at least he didn't use his wife as an excuse to Jack up the price. Unless there is another side to this story this guy sounds like someone who should be permanently banned from the BST.

Who did that, I am drawing a blank?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who did that, I am drawing a blank?

Gobucsmagic. He had another one listed recently I noticed.

[Republicaninmass]

Saddened, though Not surprised. I had someone I had considered a close friend do the same a few years back

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[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Saddened, though Not surprised. I had someone I had considered a close friend do the same a few years back

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I have sold sooooo many items for a loss it's not even funny. And these are HUGE losses, like $300+ 1954 Bowman Ted Williams.......1933 Sport Kings Babe Didrickson........Super Bowl ticket PSA 10. Every single item got shipped. Did I want to? HECK NO!!! There is something about honoring one's word though.

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I have sold sooooo many items for a loss it's not even funny. And these are HUGE losses, like $300+ 1954 Bowman Ted Williams.......1933 Sport Kings Babe Didrickson........Super Bowl ticket PSA 10. Every single item got shipped. Did I want to? HECK NO!!! There is something about honoring one's word though.

I feel your pain. I also honor all transactions whether I made money or not. I've had buyers who won cards and returned them 30 days later because they got a better deal somewhere else.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

I feel your pain. I also honor all transactions whether I made money or not. I've had buyers who won cards and returned them 30 days later because they got a better deal somewhere else.

And that sucks too.

[Republicaninmass]

Sorry If I wasnt clear, this was after boasting about winning an item, my friend emailed the seller and offered more

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[JoeDfan]

The original deal for the Ruth bat started on the BST section here on Net54.
Although, I also saw it on eBay, so naturally, I figured out who the eBay seller was.
But, we made the deal for the bat via email, and not on eBay. During one of the last emails for the bat, I made a comment to the effect of "love that Gehrig photo"; because I had seen his other eBay items.
We finished the deal for the Ruth bat; and as I said, I was perfectly happy with that.
Then at some point either he or I inquired about the photo comment, we went back and forth on numbers, etc. I thought we had a deal, and he took the eBay listing down.
So, although his items were on eBay, our deals did not originate there, if that makes sense.
But perhaps that is a relevant fact; so I want to make sure my story is transparent.

To Leon's point: I did NOT lose any money.
The ONLY deal we COMPLETED went fine, and he sent the bat right on schedule. So I have no issue with the deal for the Ruth bat.

My issue is that we came to agreement for the photo, then he withdrew, citing it having a "special spot" with the family. Then, one week later, listing in eBay again for double the price.
I think that is just a jerk move.

But again, maybe because I am mad about it, perhaps I am wrong here somewhere. If I am, then for sure, someone tell me, because I would want to know it.

And HOLY COW, I totally didn't mean to start anything here between Mullins and Toppsguy! That was totally not my intention.

Sean

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think you're justified in being pissed. The guy backed out of a deal and in my opinion his conduct does not suggest a legitimate reason for having done so.

I also give you credit for naming the other party. So often guys don't and the information ends up being useless to the Board.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think you're justified in being pissed. The guy backed out of a deal and in my opinion his conduct does not suggest a legitimate reason for having done so.

I also give you credit for naming the other party. So often guys don't and the information ends up being useless to the Board.

What an ironic post, Peter. You claim to know much more information than you’re willing to share about the evils of this hobby, yet you hold back.

Again, I’m on your side, but if you truly want to fight the sh*t, share what you know.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

What an ironic post, Peter. You claim to know much more information than you’re willing to share about the evils of this hobby, yet you hold back.

Again, I’m on your side, but if you truly want to fight the sh*t, share what you know.

The only irony is you implying I am somehow doing less than my best in this effort when as far as I can tell you haven't done a damn thing.

Anyhow, as we discussed the last time you raised this, the people in a position to do something about this know who the card doctors are.