VCBC #7, 1996, PSA & ASA Card Grading Svc's - Smoke Detectors Without Batteries

[Leon]

By popular demand.










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[Peter_Spaeth]

Steve Timmons and SCD -- now that brings back memories. The only time in my decades of collecting I had to mention that I was a lawyer was when Steve Timmons at first refused to take some trimmed cards back from me.

[Leon]

In our collections there are hundreds and thousands of alterations that are graded numerically. As long as it's in a slab it's ok though . As I had said in our email, if this was about PWCC doing something the pitchforks would be out. As it is not many folks care if they have altered cards they are unaware of. As long as the snotty nosed kids don't detect Desmond's work, who has been doing it before the kiddo graders were even born, it's all good.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Steve Timmons and SCD -- now that brings back memories. The only time in my decades of collecting I had to mention that I was a lawyer was when Steve Timmons at first refused to take some trimmed cards back from me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think a sizeable number of people don't care, but that there is also an element that is just naïve and check their intelligence and common sense and critical faculties at the door when it comes to cards and memorabilia. The sleazebags of the hobby have been preying on these guys for years.

[bnorth]

Great article, I agreed back then and still agree with it today. Can see why it is not too popular on this forum though.

[Bill77]

Fun read, I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.

The only thing missing from the article was everyone's concern that their cards were being changed out for lesser cards and given to priority clients. In retrospect I think the concern over cards being switched probably had more to do with people thinking their cards were better than they actually were, because we all know that our cards are all 9s and 10s.

[ejharrington]

The author makes note about restoration as opposed to doctoring and references another part of the magazine. Leon - do you know what he was referring to?

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

The author makes note about restoration as opposed to doctoring and references another part of the magazine. Leon - do you know what he was referring to?

i'm not Leon...
Howevar, i do believe this is what they were talkin' about:

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

i'm not Leon...
Howevar, i do believe this is what they were talkin' about:

Thank you sir. It seems like the more things change the more they stay the same.

[Johnny630]

What bothers me most is the Alleged Continuous Shill Bidding By the Same Auction House that is supposed to be under investigation.

Question for auctioneers.....

if you have a group of investors in your company whom consign their cards with you say if they bid on their own cards and win it back do they have to pay or can they say they’re investors said card will go back into their vault because I’m an investor in there company ? I have no idea but the thought has crossed my mind that this is maybe legal ??? I don’t know curious to hear from some auctioneers

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

What bothers me most is the Alleged Continuous Shill Bidding By the Same Auction House that is supposed to be under investigation.

Question for auctioneers.....

if you have a group of investors in your company whom consign their cards with you say if they bid on their own cards and win it back do they have to pay or can they say they’re investors said card will go back into their vault because I’m an investor in there company ? I have no idea but the thought has crossed my mind that this is maybe legal ??? I don’t know curious to hear from some auctioneers

I am no auctioneer nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. I do know about shill bidding though. It is done 2 ways most of the time when the winner is really shilling.

The shill bidder pays for the item and all the fees. This is still shill bidding even though the shiller paid because their plan was to inflate the price. I have seen shillers say that as long as they pay it is OK. To me it is just an excuse used by a POS.

The other main one is the seller just cancels the sale to avoid fees.

Both of these happen a LOT.

Then there is also just the opposite. People don't fallow through with sales because they did not bring enough $ at auction. Then they relist the same item over and over till it brings the price they want. What is even funnier is all the posts asking "what can I do, the seller canceled and won't send me the item I won". Answer is nothing.

I love this hobby.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

i'm not Leon...
Howevar, i do believe this is what they were talkin' about:

Denny - if you have the rest of the article, do you mind posting that as well?

[Exhibitman]

The only problem with setting up any anti-PSA booth at Atlantic City is Atlantic City. I am giving the show a hard pass this year. Based on the last one, not worth a 12 hour trip each way to bedbug town.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The only problem with setting up any anti-PSA booth at Atlantic City is Atlantic City. I am giving the show a hard pass this year. Based on the last one, not worth a 12 hour trip each way to bedbug town.

TRUE. I would never bother with Atlantic City...

Chicago (the following year) would be preferable in terms of its impact, logistics, planning time, and simply reaching a far greater number of people.