T206 Ty Cobb...Broad Leaf 460???? **Auction Ended by Seller**

[Pat R]

I think you will see it in the pop reports as an authentic or a 1 in the
near future.

[Yoda]

What I wonder is why would an Ebay seller without any feedback in over a year suddenly come up with a wonder like this. And why would he not use a reputable auction house rather than the Ebay platform? The $21,000 offer sounds nice but........

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I think you will see it in the pop reports as an authentic or a 1 in the
near future.

I hope youre right!

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no doubt purchased by one of the businessmen who flew in to see it...or maybe off to a big auction house like the blue om back?

Speaking of... anyone know where that card is now. That is always a good debate about authenticity too.

[1952boyntoncollector]

If its too good to be true it usually is...people stop auctions early all the time when they are fakes...

However, lets say this is a real card...the sad part is there will be plenty of new sellers with fraud on their minds with shady listings that will have potential buyers remember this sale and think 'maybe this listing is real too'..

[Sean1125]

Hello I didn't sell it Im having it graded and authenticated. I had a interested party who was willing to pay north of 6 figures (maybe BS) but I have to do whats best for my family

I'm glad the seller is doing what is right for him and his family.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Having the card rejected by PSA isn't the best for the family. Having hopeful people bidding on the not yet revealed bogus card would bring a higher dollar amount and be better for the family at least money wise..

[charlietheexterminator]

The seller pulled the card because he got cold feet. The amount on eBay went too high. Too many inquiries and offers. Too many red flags, starting with the Uncle Bob story, then being posted on eBay and not sent to an AH. The original eBay write up with no returns. No one here has seen the card, I don’t think anyone will.
I feel it’s a doctored card, (card surgeon) cheap beater Cobb made into a BL460. It won’t be the first time, won’t be the last.
This was said already. If it’s too good to be true, it usually is.

[darwinbulldog]

North of 6 figures? Does this mean we finally have our answer to "What's the next million dollar card?"

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

North of 6 figures? Does this mean we finally have our answer to "What's the next million dollar card?"

100,000= 6 figures

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

100,000= 6 figures

Yes, and north of six figures would make it 7 - $1,000,000. Unless the seller considers the cents as part of the figures then it would be north of $9,999.99

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Yes, and north of six figures would make it 7 - $1,000,000. Unless the seller considers the cents as part of the figures then it would be north of $9,999.99

I interpreted the verbiage to mean more than 100,000. Ill eat my yankees hat if someone offered 1 million for that card.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I interpreted the verbiage to mean more than 100,000. Ill eat my yankees hat if someone offered 1 million for that card.

If I had that card and someone offered me one million dollars for it I would attend a professional sporting event of any of the 4 major sports.

[calvindog]

Grandfather's attic.

Selling due to family issues.

Can't send it into PSA or SGC because of insert any reason.

[Blunder19]

for sale....$1,000,000 .. put your mind to rest.. its already graded.. not found in my grandparents attic...

[sb1]

And to think I paid $10 for it

Found in Broadway Ricks Auction circa 2000 for provenance.

For the record, I think the ebay card was real as well.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by sb1

For the record, I think the ebay card was real as well.

This card really is becoming like the Blue Old Mill.

[sb1]

To clarify, I paid $10 for the one Jamie has, I bought a lot of 180 T206's in a Broadway Rick SCD Auction about 20 years ago. Had the Cobb BL 460, Chase Trophy Brown Lenox and a few others among the group. $1,800 for the 180 cards, that was the opening and only bid. There was only a small description with no photos. I call Rick Kohl and all he could say was what a fantastic deal it was, the entire time I was trying to ask pertinent questions. So, I just placed the opening bid and let it ride.

Apparently based on that, very few people here would of believed it real, but it was.

I had 4-5 other BL 460's and eventually traded the card to Art, who bugged me for years to get it.

[T205 GB]

Blue Old Mill. Show of hands from guys with opinions who actually held and looked at the card....

Anyway I have yet to meet anyone that held that card raw and drew the conclusion it was fake. I would love to proven wrong about that card though!

[BeanTown]

[QUOTE

I had 4-5 other BL 460's and eventually traded the card to Art, who bugged me for years to get it.[/QUOTE]

So bugging you for years, is all it takes. I thought one night of drinking in the Hotel bar could work to!

[edhans]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Blue Old Mill. Show of hands from guys with opinions who actually held and looked at the card....

Anyway I have yet to meet anyone that held that card raw and drew the conclusion it was fake. I would love to proven wrong about that card though!

I saw it. It did not appear altered to me.

[njdunkin1]

Please observe my thoughts on the card in the attached image below:

1. Center: creasing on the front seems to be intentional/recent, indicating artificial aging.
2. Top left: creasing on top left seems enunciated on the front but is hardly visible on the back. Possible discrepancy due to lighting and photos.
3. Top right; indentation seems to be significantly larger on the front than the back.
4. Bottom left; spider creasing seems significant on the back for the major crease and completely absent for the two minor creases; again, possible discrepancy due to lighting and photos.
5. Arrows on reverse: a streak of yellow would likely indicate shading issues/sunlight exposure/highlighter or pen markings. No such residual evidence is found on the front as the coloring/tinting seems to be excellent.

These are things that would cause me to stay away if the card was ungraded by a professional. Not all of these observations would immediately disqualify the card for me, but without holding it in hand, raw or graded, I would not buy it.

NJ Dunkin

[sb1]

I also handled the Blue Old Mill and based on a fairly good examination, also felt it was probably good.

[TUM301]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

[QUOTE

I had 4-5 other BL 460's and eventually traded the card to Art, who bugged me for years to get it.

So bugging you for years, is all it takes. I thought one night of drinking in the Hotel bar could work to![/QUOTE]

Reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Glenngary Glennross. "Don`t open your mouth until you know the shot".

[rebelsart]

I will always be grateful to Scott for selling me the Cobb with BL460 back.

Unfortunately had to sell that one for financial reasons around the year 2001 and still regret that decision every day.

[Sean]

Hi Art, nice to hear from you. I'm curious if you have an opinion on this second Cobb/ BL460?

[Luke]

The card looks good to me. I'll be interested to see where it pops up for sale in a TPG holder.

[edjs]

Has anyone noticed that the registration on both cards is off the same? Look at the eyes.

[MVSNYC]

I’ve been collecting T206 for 25 years...I held the blue old mill at the Baltimore Nat’l, so did Wonka...We both felt it was real...he in fact, made a substantial offer on the card that was declined...it then went to auction.

[hshrimps]

Ok.. someone (who would like to remain anonymous) have inspected the card in person and failed the test. We can all put this subject RIP. Cheer.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I’ve been collecting T206 for 25 years...I held the blue old mill at the Baltimore Nat’l, so did Wonka...We both felt it was real...he in fact, made a substantial offer on the card that was declined...it then went to auction.

I remember hearing 38K or something on those lines from Wonka. If I remember correctly that was when the card had not made it to SGC's table yet to be slabbed. Then when it came back the seller decided to let the market determine the value.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Does anyone here, ever had any of their baseball cards in their attic in the last 10 years...

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Does anyone here, ever had any of their baseball cards in their attic in the last 10 years...

I have a few distant relatives that should be dying soon and they have old farm houses with attics. I should be loaded in the next few years.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Does anyone here, ever had any of their baseball cards in their attic in the last 10 years...

Yes, every card from my childhood is in the attic.

[steve B]

Cards in the attic? Yep, a few thousand. Mostly modern, but I'd bet a few older ones snuck in.

[t206 cubs]

Was notified by seller that the card will appear in the April 13th REA Auctions and will be graded.

[egbeachley]

April 13th? Their package won't have been logged in as received by then.

[hshrimps]

The seller told me.....

"Was offer 6 fig twice .but didn’t sell."

Can someone explain what that mean? If it didn't sell then that wasn't an offer.... and for 6 figures? I rather have a Ty Cobb back instead of beat up BroadLeaf 460. Knowing Jamie already completed his Ty Cobb run and I doubt we will see a bidding war in REA.

[Blunder19]

the master collectors will be interested... and there are plenty of cobb collectors who will be interested.. should be fun to watch the REA auction... will be the first time one of these has sold in auction...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

April 13th? Their package won't have been logged in as received by then.

Hopefully he sent it to SGC.

[ncinin]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hopefully he sent it to SGC.

Originally Posted by egbeachley

April 13th? Their package won't have been logged in as received by then.

Cards I have submitted this year to PSA at Express or Super Express service has been logged and graded quickly.

I submitted a Goudey Ruth for reslab at the one day $50 service in person at the Chicago show this past Sunday morning and the invoice was logged on Tuesday afternoon. It will probably be reslabbed and shipped Wednesday or Thursday.

With value of the Cobb if it was graded by PSA it would have been sent in at walk through level which is same day grading.

[MVSNYC]

Let’s see if it grades first.

[hshrimps]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Let’s see if it grades first.

Since the seller told me "Was offer 6 fig twice .but didn’t sell." I won't be surprised to hear "The grading company said it is authentic. but they won't grade it." LOL

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

The seller told me.....

"Was offer 6 fig twice .but didn’t sell."

Can someone explain what that mean? If it didn't sell then that wasn't an offer.... and for 6 figures? I rather have a Ty Cobb back instead of beat up BroadLeaf 460. Knowing Jamie already completed his Ty Cobb run and I doubt we will see a bidding war in REA.

It won't see any bids from me.

[t206 cubs]

Totally agree Henry......he is a little to persistent about unloading this card if its already been determined it is being sent in to be graded and then sent to auction. He didn't specify to me who he was having it graded by. Just keeps asking me "What is your number to stop me from taking this to auction?"
He keeps coming back with the six figure comment. I guess I'll just set back and see what happens.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by t206 cubs

He didn't specify to me who he was having it graded by. Just keeps asking me "What is your number to stop me from taking this to auction?"

Maybe I'm wrong, and it will grade and go to REA. But this guy just seems to have a playbook for selling fakes, and everything he says seems to come right out of that playbook.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by t206 cubs

Totally agree Henry......he is a little to persistent about unloading this card if its already been determined it is being sent in to be graded and then sent to auction. He didn't specify to me who he was having it graded by. Just keeps asking me "What is your number to stop me from taking this to auction?"
He keeps coming back with the six figure comment. I guess I'll just set back and see what happens.

Well, it's been a week since he "submitted" the card, and I'm sure that he had to make it a one day submission.... so has anyone heard what grade the card got?

Maybe we'll just have to wait for our REA catalogues for the big reveal.

[njdunkin1]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, it's been a week since he "submitted" the card, and I'm sure that he had to make it a one day submission.... so has anyone heard what grade the card got?

Agreed--SGC still confirms one (Jamie's) on their pop report and PSA records a goose egg as of today.

NJ Dunkin

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, it's been a week since he "submitted" the card, and I'm sure that he had to make it a one day submission.... so has anyone heard what grade the card got?

Maybe we'll just have to wait for our REA catalogues for the big reveal.

You might get a reveal before that.

[hshrimps]

The seller turned down my $85k offer because he turned down a $90k offer before.