Pete Rose Poll

[Mountaineer1999]

This is one of the most informed baseball communities that I know, so I am curious as to where members stand on Rose. Should he be allowed on the HOF ballot?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Damn right.

[kmac32]

He should be in the Hall of Fame based on his career as a player. One of the best if not the best in his era. Now if you were judging him on his career as an manager and the fact that he bet on his team, then as a manager he should not be considered. He never bet on his team to lose is my understanding and always bet on his team to win. The job of a manager is to get wins for his team, not losses but betting on baseball when you manage is a huge no no.

With that said, he was never accused of betting on baseball when he was a player so consideration for the Hall as a player should be allowed.

[Vegas-guy]

Originally Posted by kmac32

He should be in the Hall of Fame based on his career as a player.

+1

[BleedinBlue]

Originally Posted by kmac32

He should be in the Hall of Fame based on his career as a player.

I'm curious about this sentiment. Is there a line? If a clear cut hall of famer committed mass murder after his career but before elgible for the ballot should he be inducted into the hall based on baseball only, ignoring the heinous act? OJ Simpson comes to mind. What if the timing with OJ had been different? Should the player still be honored?

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

I'm curious about this sentiment. Is there a line? If a clear cut hall of famer committed mass murder after his career but before elgible for the ballot should he be inducted into the hall based on baseball only, ignoring the heinous act? OJ Simpson comes to mind. What if the timing with OJ had been different? Should the player still be honored?

Tough as it is to say, he'd still be a Hall of Famer. I don't like O.J. Period. That said, having watched footage of him, the way he ran and the stuff he did as a player, few ever did it better. Even though he's a horrible human being, he was the complete opposite of that as an athlete.

[BleedinBlue]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Tough as it is to say, he'd still be a Hall of Famer. I don't like O.J. Period. That said, having watched footage of him, the way he ran and the stuff he did as a player, few ever did it better. Even though he's a horrible human being, he was the complete opposite of that as an athlete.

While I agree Simpson was a hall of famer as a player I do not believe that he would have been inducted if the timing had been different. The NFL would never have allowed itself to honor somebody guilty of such an act. Regardless of qualifications.

[BleedinBlue]

Clearly a hall of famer between the lines. Outside the lines not so much. He knew the rules and the punishment but chose to break them anyway. And then lied about it repeatedly for years.

Taken as a whole I'm ok with Pete not bein admitted. His accomplishments are recognized. That is enough from my perspective.

[tjb1952tjb]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

Clearly a hall of famer between the lines. Outside the lines not so much. He knew the rules and the punishment but chose to break them anyway. And then lied about it repeatedly for years.

Taken as a whole I'm ok with Pete not bein admitted. His accomplishments are recognized. That is enough from my perspective.

+1

[egbeachley]

Betting on his team to win, not lose, is irrelevant. That means not betting to win is information; plus you would use/rest players based on your wagers.

"I'll use my closer once more on short rest knowing he will be useless for a week, but I have money on today's game."

"Can't bet to win today, my star player is banged up."

"I'll rest him today so he's fresh tomorrow when I'll place a big wager.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

[Jantz]

Pete performed his job as a player well and 50% of me says yes.

The other 50% says no because given the type of human being he is, after getting into the Hall, his smugness will be sickening.

[Fred]

He was one of the most competitive players the game has seen. Without a doubt he has the stats that backup an incredible career that would normally guarantee enshrinement in the Hall.

If you overlook his gambling on baseball and (in the opinion of the office of the commissioner) his inability to honestly detail his involvement in his gambling on baseball, then he should be in the Hall.

Manfred is probably following his gut as the other commissioners did that followed Giamatti. You have to figure that Giamatti's decision weighed heavily on himself and in no small part was a contributing factor in his death. The other commissioners have access to the same information as Giamatti and that's probably why they're not cutting Rose any slack.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Pete performed his job as a player well and 50% of me says yes.

The other 50% says no because given the type of human being he is, after getting into the Hall, his smugness will be sickening.

The second part of your statement could also apply to Curt Schilling. I don't think highly of Schilling as a person, but he should've been in by now and yes I support Pete.

[Iron Horse]

A BIG Yes. His performance on the field has HOF written all over. I think baseball needs to get over itself. The world we live in today has so many other issues that what Pete did is dwarfed and honestly is a joke that he is not in the HOF.
I feel both Pete and Shoeless Joe should be inducted into the HOF. Shoeless is no longer with us and Pete has been banned for 26 years. Lets not wait till he is 6 feet under then admit him.

There are many players in the HOF who did not have such stellar credentials off the field.
It is time for the commissioner to get with the times and put him on the Ballot.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Iron Horse

There are many players in the HOF who did not have such stellar credentials off the field.

Yes, but the acts that are keeping Rose out of the Hall were not "off the field", they were committed while he was a manager, while he could impact games and while he was under the rules and jurisdiction of MLB.

That being said, I don't feel strongly either way. I respect his ability and accomplishments, but not his character.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by Iron Horse

A BIG Yes. His performance on the field has HOF written all over. I think baseball needs to get over itself. The world we live in today has so many other issues that what Pete did is dwarfed and honestly is a joke that he is not in the HOF.
I feel both Pete and Shoeless Joe should be inducted into the HOF. Shoeless is no longer with us and Pete has been banned for 26 years. Lets not wait till he is 6 feet under then admit him.

There are many players in the HOF who did not have such stellar credentials off the field.
It is time for the commissioner to get with the times and put him on the Ballot.

Absolutely agree. His performance as a player is definitely HOF. As I said before, his performance as a manager and the betting while a manager prevents him from being inducted as a manager.

As to the mass murder comments listed earlier, Rose did not murder anyone so those comments are not relavent. The Hall has no bilaws that specifically mention morality so this should not be a criteria for being inducted. Fergie Jenkins ( a wonderful human being in my opinion) was arrested for cocaine posession in an airport during his playing days and that did not stop him from being enshrined in the Hall so who are we to pass judgement? We are all human and we all make mistakes. It is time for Rose to be forgiven for his mistakes and baseball to get back to basics.

The Hall was meant to honor players for their talent and great careers, not to judge their morality.

[Joshchisox08]

I can't believe how close this poll is.

For those who are voting that he get in are there any ........ circumstances ???? Such as letting the 8 men out back into baseball????

[bbcard1]

I grew up a huge fan of Pete Rose. I don't really care all that much, but Rose personally is better off not in the hall. If keeps him in the public eye and conversation and opens personal income opportunities for him that are not available to comparable players.

[GregMitch34]

Note to folks who compare use of greenies to PEDs: Babe Ruth's and Roger Maris' home run records stood for years, for decades, until steroids era when everyone and their mother hit 50 dingers or more. And after steroids crackdown--whoops, we are back to pre-1990s power levels. What a coincidinky.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

This is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Character. He deserves it with what he did as a player. Yeah so his personality sucks and he made poor decisions, plenty of current HOF'ers have and have done worse.


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[bobbvc]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

This is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Character. He deserves it with what he did as a player. Yeah so his personality sucks and he made poor decisions, plenty of current HOF'ers have and have done worse.


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I think the people who want him in, and quite frankly some of the people who don't want him in, because of his "personality" or "character" are missing the point. He bet on Baseball. The Only rule that would keep him or anyone else out.
If he gets in, what would keep any current or future player from betting on "his team"? If you can bet on "your team" why not "the other team"? Hard to bet without being around gamblers. Baseball would be much less interesting (profitable) if it had the credibility of professional wrestling or horse racing and the owners/commissioner know it. Sorry Pete, you broke the only rule that matters.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

This is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Character. He deserves it with what he did as a player. Yeah so his personality sucks and he made poor decisions, plenty of current HOF'ers have and have done worse.


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+1...Just ask anyone that knew Ty Cobb...

[Kenny Cole]

No

[grainsley]

After he is gone......he doesn't deserve the smug satisfaction that he would display.

[glynparson]

To the same character standards I would have less problem with it. But frankly I am a little tired of the old writers acting like their era were saints and all those after that are inferior. I want players judges for infield performance or else remove the cheaters liars and scoundrels and gamblers already enshrines. And there are many.

[jason.1969]

I can only answer for myself. In baseball, I hold (held!) the record book as sacred, even more sacred than the outcomes of games or seasons. Meanwhile, in football, I just watch for entertainment.