T206 Sacrifice by Fire

[celoknob]

Not clever, not funny, not sacreligious, just a really bad idea.

[RCMcKenzie]

I voted for D. I totally disagree with the notion that if you buy something, then you have the right to destroy it (Lawyers back me up here.) You can throw it away, but destroying property is against the law, whether you "own" it, or not. This might be my least favorite thread ever, and I like T206Collector. Every card is sacred whether it's a 1990 Topps Paul Molitor or a Ty Cobb with a Ty Cobb back, imho.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by vintagebb2014

here is my idea. I would highly recommend that you purchase up the 10,000+ t206 reprints that clutter up ebay and burn them all. You would be making a video that most of us would truly enjoy watching as well as doing us all a favor by removing thousands of listings from ebay.

thank you

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I voted for D. I totally disagree with the notion that if you buy something, then you have the right to destroy it (Lawyers back me up here.) You can throw it away, but destroying property is against the law, whether you "own" it, or not. This might be my least favorite thread ever, and I like T206Collector. Every card is sacred whether it's a 1990 Topps Paul Molitor or a Ty Cobb with a Ty Cobb back, imho.

My thinking is unless there is a law or contract preventing you from specifically destroying or damaging something you own then you can do what you want with it. I can think of some instances that might apply (not being able to do something with something you own) but for the great majority of things I think when you own it you can do as you please. Large Ass is safe with me and looking for his next trip?

[egri]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I totally disagree with the notion that if you buy something, then you have the right to destroy it (Lawyers back me up here.) You can throw it away, but destroying property is against the law, whether you "own" it, or not.

If that was true, then the guys from Mythbusters would never see the light of day again. Look at all the stuff they destroy on every show.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

This might be my least favorite thread ever, and I like T206Collector.

I can fully appreciate your disdain for this thread, but I have to say that the results of the poll -- and the resultant responses -- are extremely interesting, and show a lot about how passionately people feel about their cardboard treasures. I wonder, for instance, whether mild objections get stronger the better the condition of the T206; or the better the player. I take it from your post that Unglaub and Cobb are equally sacred in your view. But, if I were willing to destroy a clean T206 Cobb, a lot of posters on here would get really pissed because it's like burning a lot of money which could be used to do some good in the world.

What drives us to protect the cards is a fundamental aspect of collecting them, and I really do believe that this thread helps us understand the pursuit a little better. I have genuinely enjoyed reading all of the responses and viewpoints. It gives me a number of interesting perspectives on the hobby.

[ullmandds]

me thinks you are misinterpreting the law...if I buy/own something...I can do whatever the hell I want with it!!!

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I voted for D. I totally disagree with the notion that if you buy something, then you have the right to destroy it (Lawyers back me up here.) You can throw it away, but destroying property is against the law, whether you "own" it, or not. This might be my least favorite thread ever, and I like T206Collector. Every card is sacred whether it's a 1990 Topps Paul Molitor or a Ty Cobb with a Ty Cobb back, imho.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

me thinks you are misinterpreting the law...if I buy/own something...I can do whatever the hell I want with it!!!

My only hesitation is if I buy a house and it comes with deed restrictions....stuff like that.....but I am a big proponent of doing what you want to with what you own (as long as it doesn't harm anyone else). I too think this has been an interesting thread which is more than I can say for a few of them .

[Pat R]

So is it fair to deduce that anyone that voted to burn a card should also be ok
with company's producing these cards?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Pat R

So is it fair to deduce that anyone that voted to burn a card should also be ok
with company's producing these cards?

I would guess that those who voted against burning a card would also vote against cutting up jerseys and bats for these.

[jcc6252]

From T206Collector: I would guess that those who voted against burning a card would also vote against cutting up jerseys and bats for these.

+1

[Pat R]

Maybe I'm wrong but I always thought......


deduce=infer=conclude

[T206Collector]

"So is it fair to deduce that anyone that voted to burn a card should also be ok with company's producing these cards?"

I think you can have a different vote with respect to burning a commercially produced cardboard insert designed to sell more cigarettes and the shredding of game-used uniforms and bats of iconic players for purposes of selling a commercially produced cardboard insert.

[t206trader]

Originally Posted by Pat R

So is it fair to deduce that anyone that voted to burn a card should also be ok
with company's producing these cards?

Would anyone be concerned if they cut up a jersey or a bat from a 1982 minor leaguer? What's the difference and where does one draw the line? I'm of the belief that if you own it you can do whatever you like with it.

[RCMcKenzie]

I don't have any disdain for the thread. I am a little surprised by the results of the poll. Someone asked, "where do you draw the line?" For example, if someone like Trump started buying every Cezanne painting that came to market for the sole purpose of destroying it, is it okay b/c it's his do to with as he pleases? If the Titus collector were systematically destroying them instead of hoarding them is that acceptable? I don't believe so, but I respect the right of others to disagree with me. Rob

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I don't have any disdain for the thread. I am a little surprised by the results of the poll. Someone asked, "where do you draw the line?" For example, if someone like Trump started buying every Cezanne painting that came to market for the sole purpose of destroying it, is it okay b/c it's his do to with as he pleases? If the Titus collector were systematically destroying them instead of hoarding them is that acceptable? I don't believe so, but I respect the right of others to disagree with me. Rob

I think we can draw the line at one beat up old cigarette card. If the OP was burning famous works of art, as you use in your example, or even decent T206s then I suspect the poll result would be be entirely different. This is not a developing trend, where everyone wants to run out and burn their cards. Its one guy testing the water to see what the reaction would be of destroying one $10 tobacco card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I don't have any disdain for the thread. I am a little surprised by the results of the poll. Someone asked, "where do you draw the line?" For example, if someone like Trump started buying every Cezanne painting that came to market for the sole purpose of destroying it, is it okay b/c it's his do to with as he pleases? If the Titus collector were systematically destroying them instead of hoarding them is that acceptable? I don't believe so, but I respect the right of others to disagree with me. Rob

Great analogy.

[Jeffrompa]

If there was a collectors code of conduct I would say ... Wait a minute there is no code of conduct .

[EvilKing00]

We need a collectors constitution

[Pat R]

[QUOTE=RCMcKenzie;1448972] Someone asked, "where do you draw the line?"

This is why I posted the game used cards. A few people said if they own it then
they should be able to do whatever they want with it, then those people shouldn't have a problem with a company cutting up a uniform/bat, the fact
that it's an iconic player shouldn't matter as long as they own the item.

[xplainer]

It's your card. Do as you wish.




You A-hole!!

[dabigyankeeman]

Better you should burn the 1961 Topps card of that damn Mazeroski coming home after he hit the home run to win the 1960 world series, an example of an inferior team beating a far superior team and the worst memory for me in my life of watching sports.

[Mark]

Legally, you can, of course, destroy whatever you own. But it is bad form to destroy a work of art or any rare antique that is appreciated by connoisseurs. But if I owned the game used uniform cards, I would probably burn them because they are the residue of such destruction. I wouldn't sell them because I would not want to encourage anyone to collect them, and I wouldn't want them in my collection.

[mrmopar]

Generally speaking, my collection doesn't date back far enough or is not expansive enough to contain a lot of beaters. Most of my T cards are worn to some extent, but not damaged beyond displaying well. I started collecting as a 9 year old kid in 1978 and never really spent any real money on cards until after I got onto ebay in 1998 and was an adult, able to spend more. I have some cards that are just hard enough to find in any shape or are prohibitively expensive in top shape and I keep those cards with the better ones. However, mostly if the card is flawed in some major way, I don't want it in the collection. I don't have a lot of "good" cards or older cards that fall into this category, because normally I would avoid them all together, so most either came with larger lots I acquired or were mine as a kid. The problem is, I can't really seem to get rid of ANY of the damaged cards, even newer ones, so they sit together in boxes marked "damaged cards". Not much different than the good cards in my collection being stored in sleeves and top loaders in shoeboxes other than the fact that they are damaged. I'm sure the OBC gang would appreciate most of them regardless.



It it does eventually get burned, then the ashes must be spread across several "event burned T206 commemorative cards" that you can get one of the custom card makers to design and create. Then, like cut bats and jerseys, it can be enjoyed by many rather than just one!