Thought I'd try Sgc. Sadly....

[Phillies*phan]

I've been dealing with PSA since about 2002. I saw how everyone on net54 loves SGC, so I thought I'd give them a few cards and see how they do. I honestly think all the "overgraded" talk on this board may be raising they're standards. Any opinions on this Cobb would be appreciated. It has One 1/2" wrinkle at his shoulder and a clean back. I thought a 3 for sure maybe a 4. Huh. The Johnson is also crease free. The guy who filled out my paperwork said he was a grader and it would get a 5 or 5.5. Guess I'll just stick with PSA.

[Ladder7]

Accurate grading will not be tolerated in this hobby.

[sb1]

Both cards appear accurately graded. There is no way the Johnson would grade EX, not even on the west coast I would hope. The Cobb might warrant a VG grade based strictly on appearance.

[Tcards-Please]

Nice cards Doug. It is hard to really tell from the scans, but from my experience with SGC, it looks like the Cobb and Johnson were graded pretty accurately. Depending on the wrinkle, it does appear that the Cobb could have received a 3, nothing higher though.

r/
Frank

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have seen numerous T206s that look like the Johnson in 60 holders.

[Bicem]

grading is subjective, just keep sending them in until you get the desired grade.

[calvindog]

The Johnson is a 4 or a 5, the Cobb a 2 or a 3. Stop whining and go back to PSA.

[Delray Vintage]

I think the Johnson corners do not deserve a 60 close but not there.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Perhaps you should have trimmed them first.

[oldjudge]

Easy Jeff. His name is Doug Bacon, not Doug Allen.

[novakjr]

The borders on the Cobb aren't exactly square either. Slightly diamond cut, I'm sure that didn't help the grade any.

[ullmandds]

When one is accustomed to PSA's overgrading...it can be frustrating to cross over to SGC.

[CMIZ5290]

I agree with peter, but those 60's were badly overgraded.

[calvindog]

Yeah, definitely go back to PSA, they really grade cards accurately.

[nolemmings]

First of all Doug, those are nice cards. They look the same now as they did before you had them graded, which is to say they looked nice and I assume you were happy with them. I wouldn't get too bummed about your first submission.

I would tend to agree with what others have posted. I would not expect a card with a 1/2 inch "wrinkle" (read minor crease) across the image to receive any higher than a 3 on its best day. As for the Johnson, your scans are a bit blurry to these tired old eyes, but it looks like there might be some discoloration in that upper left corner. If not, I could maybe see that card grabbing a 60 on its best day, but the corners are a bit too rounded to call that a sure thing, and a 70 is a big stretch, IMO. Compare a Polar Bear WaJo PSA 4 on ebay right now--it has sharper corners and similar centering to yours with minor discoloration typical of that ad back. IMO, that card is accurately graded, and it too is very nice.

I know folks here are biased a little toward SGC, but I don't think you got a bum deal. I'd give them another shot or two.

[Delray Vintage]

Doug it seems like a reasonable grade, maybe cobb could have been a 40 but not higher

[CMIZ5290]

For what it's worth, i agree with the grade of the cobb with it having a small paper wrinkle.