Past events that i will address.......

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

My point exactly.

Well, I did offer other reasons. LOL.


And I don't think everyone is giving a free pass to all the great guys, but I hear what you're saying. I think "great guys" who have been PROVEN to be guilty will have a tough time rehabbing themselves in this industry, but those just accused will be able to skate by for a while. If onl;y there was some way to get these guys under oath and deposed.

I think it's pretty obvious that some of these guys are in a pretty steep downward spiral. But I will bet that a pretty good percentage of their major customer base has no idea of the problems we discuss here. But the word will eventually get out. Just hope too many more people (consignors and bidders) don't get burned in the end.

[Reginald Marsh]

Also please note Jim i am not trying to fit into anything. I have pretty much seen it all and thoroughly enjoyed myself on the ride so far. I really do not feel that any of you attack me or do anything that harms me in anyway.

Twist it however you like Jim and i will leave you with this. It's your lie bro so tell it however you like

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Reginald Marsh

Jim.....let me state that i do not pick on anyone. Allow me to refresh your memory captain. The names you mentioned generally came on my threads hijacking them creating drama and when i fired back they got their panties in a uproar. Also please note that many things i stated came true but you forgot to mention that so allow me to refresh your memory.

1. Said Fla would cover and win the National Title GASP- It happened
2.Said Take the points with the Cardinals-GASP-They covered
3.Told the board of a filly i own that had no chance running at Charlestown because of her cuppy feet but watch out when i ship her because she can boogie and GASP- when i shipped her to Mountaineer park she went off at odds 29 to 1 and ran second by a nose GASP-the trifecta paid over a grand and the exacta paid almost 200 now i wonder how many times i had it
she also paid 19.00 to place and almost 10.00 to show but i know you had no money one her because you were to busy looking in the mirror telling yourself how wonderful you are while dousing yourself with Old Spice.

Marshall,

None of your points has anything to do with vintage baseball cards. That's the first problem. This is a vintage baseball card board and most of your posts are OT.

Secondly, the people you pick fights with are well respected in the field of vintage baseball cards. For God's sakes, if you can't get along with Barry and Joann, you need to be in a room by yourself. There are plenty of guys here you can disagree with and be rude to and no one would care. You seem to only target the likable guys.

Thirdly, your "personality" takes a little bit of getting used to... We're not there yet, and may never be. I respect the fact that you don't care, but you're rude and abrasive. Don't expect that aspect to win you any friends.

[Reginald Marsh]

Oh i understand it's a baseball card site but all work and no play is BORING. Out of 100 posts maybe 10% stray off into Off Topic which is always fun and breaks up the card talk.

Try going to a card show and then just sit there all day and talk baseball cards.....Ohhhhh...that's right you just like to sit and type on computers because i missed you at the National.

I really do not have a problem with the folks you mentioned and i see your upset in the fact that when they hijacked my thread i basically fired back so you have twisted that into me picking on them but it is ok because they have meds for someone like yourself.....ummm....i believe the word is Haldol.

[Jim VB]

You only missed me at the National because I avoided you.

I sat at the back table with Scott Brockleman, Rich Cline and his lovely wife and daughter, Coach Jeff, and Sean Skeffington and Brian Dwyer from SGC. From my seat you were up toward the podium and to my left, by the doors. You asked O' Keffee the stupid question about why he didn't write nice stories about families and little kids shopping at the show. (Sure. That's what investigative reporters do.)

Our table had a very nice meal and a good visit. No one brought any noise.

[Reginald Marsh]

Avoided is the right word. Not a chance you would approach me because things are a bit different in person and i would have told you to F off if you would have started in so you knew that and just kept to yourself.

Also note you are wrong about the question i posed to O'Keefe but what else is new. I asked why talk about a trimmed card and negative topic at a Net54 dinner. I totally understand he has to write about drama for the paper because that is what sells but why talk about it at a dinner and especially to folks that already know the story of the card. The point i was trying to make is that the National is about dads bringing their kids to a show and buying cards for their sets or collectors buying type cards, the show is not about a 3 million dollar trimmed card that garners way to much attention or some hobknob reporter that nobody cares about. The other point i was trying to make is several dealers lost their ass at the National and the constant talk about trimmed cards and negative topics did not help. Alot of those dealers are going to skip next year so great work keep up the negative chatter and soon their will be no National.

All of us on the inside know O'Keefe was physically removed by Bill Mastro from his office so he has a Napoloeon complex and has fixated himself on one card and one company. Also anyone who does not give him info he attacks and all you have to do is take one look at the guy and you know what he is all about.

[GrayGhost]

One thing I like about this board, compared to another one thats not baseball collecting, that I visit, is the knowledge I gain, the cool stuff Ive seen, and people Ive met. Also, sold a couple small things.

That all said, I hope that these type of threads are NOT common, with bickering and people trying to disrupt things, as this thread really takes away from the reasons we are all here.

[Al C.risafulli]

All of us on the inside know O'Keefe was physically removed by Bill Mastro from his office so he has a Napoloeon complex and has fixated himself on one card and one company.

I read this sentence and snarfed my soda.

-Al

[Reginald Marsh]

Is snarfing a Newark thing?

[Kenny Cole]

Once again (and it happens often), I am confused. Reginald Marsh, the Marshmallow, or whatever you want to call him, posts for one reason and one reason only -- to cause everyone who reads his posts to respond. He's like a tick in that regard. For whatever reason, it appears that causing angst and anger is what gives him life. While I think that is more than a little pathetic, so be it.

My question is, by now people should know that he's a dick whose posts generally add nothing and almost always detract from the overall intelligence of the board. I view that as a given. Don Rickles he isn't. What he wants is what he often gets -- a response. Why do that? Everytime he says insulting or simply stupid stuff and gets a response, he validates himself. To those of you who he offends, I suggest that if you put him on ignore and do not respond to his prevocative comments anymore. He will then go away because his basic interest is in baiting people, not cards, and if there is no response the fun will no longer exist. My two cents.

Kenny Cole

[Reginald Marsh]

Are you still designing sun glasses bro? I actually do not post often on the main board unless i feel it necessary. Also i buy and sell quite a few cards but gee i do not see you auctioning or selling anything. Just me two cents for what it is worth.

[Adam]

I am looking to buy a T206 Ed Foster (southern league) in any grade. Please email me at aamoniz@yahoo.com with a scan and asking price if anyone has one they'd like to sell.

Regards,
Adam

[jmk59]

You don't get it, Reggie. It's not enough that you don't hate people. You still don't get to be an a$$ and then say they should be okay with it because you don't hate them.

And you certainly don't get to (here or anywhere else on the planet) do whatever you want, act however you want and say whatever you want and then hide behind "this is just me being me". Do you fart in a crowded elevator and think that's funny and say it's just "me being me"? I probably shouldn't ask that - you probably do.

The point is that there is no excuse for some of the comments and behavior, and telling us that's just how you are doesn't cut it. Now a genuine apology? That would be different.

And I honestly don't care if you cut into me. Seriously - if I take a shot at you then by all means, have at it. Make another crack about how I'm a Barbara Walters wannabe. No problem. Just leave the sexual stuff out of it. That's where you cross the line.

Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and [offensive language removed. PM me if you want a private copy for thread context. JMK] (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)

There are actually even worse things you could say about blacks and the Jewish members that are even more oppressive - oppressive and attempts to intimidate just like the sexual crap you lay on me. These are some things that you would not get to get away with by laughing it off as a misunderstood joke. At least not after the first time.

But do keep bringing da noize over on the BST. Nice E-card auction. Now that's extreeeeeme! As you would say, yawn yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring. What next? GASP! A toaster? Or maybe WHOA - a set of throw pillows?

And thanks to those that have posted, emailed or PM'd in my defense. I really appreciate it. I am behind on responding so emails - way behind - but am definitely going to. I thought the world would magically reappear after I took the bar exam, but it hasn't worked out that way so far.

Joann

[martin neal]

Adam,

That was the best post I have seen in years.

[barrysloate]

Hi Joann- strong post to say the least. How are you doing? How was the bar exam?

I also liked Adam's post- perfect timing on that one.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Reginald Marsh

All of us on the inside...

Please! You're killing me here! I had no idea!

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Adam

I am looking to buy a T206 Ed Foster (southern league) in any grade. Please email me at aamoniz@yahoo.com with a scan and asking price if anyone has one they'd like to sell.

Regards,
Adam

Adam,

Please confine these types of posts to the BST. This board is for serious discussions by "insiders" only!


(However, if there was a rating system, your's would be an all time winning post.)

[Wite3]

Marshall,

What the f? I apologized. Just like you! I don't hate you. I feel that I have a great sense of humor but if people just don't get it then I can't force them to like me. I am so sorry you did not understand that my post was in jest and that I may have hurt your feelings (enough to attack my job, which is sad since you could have gone so many other intelligent routes). I don't dislike you, I am just a different person from you. That is what makes America great! The fact that you and I are different and we both can apologize. Again, I am sorry Marshall for your lack of understanding. I hope we can move on and talk cards.

Joshua

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Adam,

Please confine these types of posts to the BST. This board is for serious discussions by "insiders" only!


(However, if there was a rating system, your's would be an all time winning post.)

hey Now...wait a minute. I hear there is a line forming to be an insider and I wanna be one....please please....

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Leon

hey Now...wait a minute. I hear there is a line forming to be an insider and I wanna be one....please please....

Let me get this straight...

You own a Vintage Baseball card Forum.

You host your own damn dinner at The National every year. (With hundreds of friends you didn't know you had.)

You own an auction house.

You have a world class type card collection.

You have double secret access to the President of one (maybe it's two) of the largest, most controversial auction houses.

You've slept over at Barry's place.

And you still want more? Man! Talk about greedy!

[barrysloate]

Sleeping at my place is unquestionably a rite of passage!

[Al C.risafulli]

Wait.

Leon slept over Barry's house?

I've never slept over Barry's house. What do you have to do to get that invite?

I guess I'm not part of the click.

-Al

[Peter_Spaeth]

Are you trying to say Leon is a great guy?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Are you trying to say Leon is a great guy?

Them's fightin' words around these parts!!

And in response to what Jim VB said......ok, never mind. (Done in my Gilda Radner voice) ..................bitch

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Are you trying to say Leon is a great guy?

I don't think all insiders are great guys, but... all great guys are insiders.

[docpatlv]

"Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is."---Joann

Joann, I'm not sure what sexually disparaging comments Marshall has made to you to offend you, as I haven't always followed his trainwreck threads that closely, but do you think that can really be compared to the statement you made above. Believe me, I'm not a chauvinist, but I'm not sure you have a clue how damaging racial slurs can be.

MikePugeda

[jmk59]

Mike,

Then we disagree. Do a search for the threads in question and then come back and see what you think. Marshall once asked - on the board - the last time I was spanked, and that's just a start. Are you seriously saying that that sort of thing is less offensive or intimidating than a racial slur?

Although if a lot of people agree with you, that would explain a few things.

Joann

[FrankWakefield]

One solidarity post in support of Joann. Thanks for hanging in here!

[Wesley]

I don't disagree with you Joann, and the remarks towards you were offensive. Still, you don't need to include the racial slurs above to make your point.

[andybecker]

Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is. Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)

joann,
you've always been a voice of reason here....not sure what happened.
marshal is an ass, but you've crossed the line here.

tink-tink=grow up

[docpatlv]

Joann,

I'm not trying to be argumentative and I don't know you personally, but I was responding to what you had written.

Is Marshall asking you "when the last time you were spanked" offensive? Of course it is, I'm not insensitive to that. It's out of line and not necessary on a baseball chat board, and it's none of his business.

Is it, to me, as offensive as calling someone a nigger? Not even remotely close...Maybe we are different people, but to me racial slurs just cut a little deeper.

I'll leave you with an example. A few years ago I went out with a group of friends to a small, local bar. One of my friends is African American. When we passed one of the patrons in the bar, he said to my friend, "Hey you, get to the back of the bus!" That damn near started a bar brawl. I don't think it would have evoked the same response if my friend had passed and he said "When's the last time you got spanked".

Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree, but again I don't think you have a clue what being judged solely by your skin color is like. Correct me if I'm wrong.

MikePugeda

[calvindog]

I know no one means to be offensive on this issue, but perhaps you all could edit your posts to remove the n-word? I don't even like to see it in print, even when a point is trying to be made.

[jmk59]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree, but again I don't think you have a clue what being judged solely by your skin color is like.

Then honestly, I don't think you have a clue what it's like to have some stranger makes jokes about you needing a big cucumber, or something like that, on a board like this. This was a place where I liked people and liked to hang out. This guy said that in front of all of these people - people that are my friends in some cases. Try that on for size sometime.

If nothing else, this has been eye-opening. I think some people honestly don't know what it feels like. That's the only conclusion I can make from all this.

And Jeff, I'll consider editing. But not yet. That's the only thing I've done that seems to have made people even come close to what it feels like inside when Marshall cuts loose with some of his sexual comments and people defend him as an ok guy.

J

[docpatlv]

Jeff,

That was exactly my point. If you find it offensive to even see the word, imagine being called that.

last time spanked? = offensive
N****R = offensive

Equally offensive (to me) = not even remotely close

Mike

[docpatlv]

Joann,

Re-read my post, I'm not defending Marshall. I agreed that what he said was offensive, inappropriate, and unnecessary.

I questioned your analogy and the appropriateness of it.

I'm finished with this thread, you all can agree or disagree with anything I've said.

MikePugeda

[Al C.risafulli]

Being one of the more liberal, PC, bleeding hearts here, it did sting to read Joann's comments.

That said, I think Joann wrote them the way she did to make a point. And I think the point is coming through loud and clear, at least to me.

When Swine Flu made his series of comments toward Joann, I found them to be the most offensive things I'd ever read on this board. The comments were not made to illustrate a point or make a joke. They were made to be insulting and hurtful, to separate Joann from the rest of the group due to her gender, and to embarrass her.

The fact that people are voicing their displeasure about Joann's comments without having voiced similar displeasure at Swine Flu's comments is surprising to me.

I know Leon's job is difficult, and it's tough to play policeman all the time, but the rules of this board as they relate to personal attacks are written in black and white, and in Joann's case, those rules were not enforced. Were the comments written about someone's ethnicity or religion, I believe they would have been.

Joann is my friend, and it absolutely enraged me to see those comments.

-Al

[andybecker]

That's the only thing I've done that seems to have made people even come close to what it feels like inside when Marshall cuts loose with some of his sexual comments and people defend him as an ok guy.

not sure who is defending marshal as a good guy????

joann-i hope you feel better, as i (and probably every other jew or african-american on this board) have been totally offended by your comment.

didn't you parents teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?

[Jim VB]

I don't think any of us (guys) are in a position to judge how much Joann is, or should be, offended by Marshall's comments.

If she says she is offended that deeply, I think we should take her word for it.

Personally, I like lawyer jokes, but if Jeff told me he was offended, I'd believe him.


(Edited to add - And jokes about the newspaper industry just slay me!)

[andybecker]

When Swine Flu

sheeeeesh. i'm in the pork business. can we call him H1N1?

[botn]

Originally Posted by jmk59

Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is. Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)

There are actually even worse things you could say about blacks and the Jewish members that are even more oppressive - oppressive and attempts to intimidate just like the sexual crap you lay on me. These are some things that you would not get to get away with by laughing it off as a misunderstood joke. At least not after the first time.

Joann

Marshall's comments to Joann were inappropriate and I understand being her insulted by them. I am also sure she was trying to make a point with the above but YIKES. I think the point could have been made with far more tact.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Jeff,

That was exactly my point. If you find it offensive to even see the word, imagine being called that.

last time spanked? = offensive
N****R = offensive

Equally offensive (to me) = not even remotely close

Mike

Mike, until you are in Joann's shoes I don't think you should be telling her that she should feel less offended.

[andybecker]

I don't think any of us (guys) are in a position to judge how much Joann is, or should be, offended by Marshall's comments.

sure we are, if we are jewish or african-american.

[Al C.risafulli]

sheeeeesh. i'm in the pork business. can we call him H1N1?

Sorry, Andy, you're right.

And to be clear about my last post: I do not in any way mean for it to come off as a criticism of Leon or his moderating. My intent is to try and illustrate my belief that a roomful of men will have a really difficult time understanding the hurt caused by H1N1's comments toward one of the only women who post on this board.

I would have never come back here.

-Al

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by andybecker

sure we are, if we are jewish or african-american.

Well, I think now we all know how hurt Joann was by Marshall's comments....the difference in her comments and Marshall's is that she was using an analogy to express how she felt by his comments...and well, when Marshall made his comments he meant them.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by andybecker

sure we are, if we are jewish or african-american.

No, you can't. You can judge how offended you would be to the comments made by Joann, not by the comments made by Marshall. Except that Joann didn't make derogatory comments. She used them as a comparison to how Marshall's comments about her felt.

You have said, a couple of times that, to you, there was no comparison between the two, but unless you are female you aren't seeing that side of the comparison.

Now... If you are a female, jewish, african-american, then you've got me.




Edited to add - Dan types faster than I do.

[andybecker]

You have said, a couple of times that, to you, there was no comparison between the two, but unless you are female you aren't seeing that side of the comparison.

that wasn't me.

and you're correct jim. i cannot judge how joann feels.....i did not mean to imply that.

i can judge how joann made me feel.

joann was using racial and ethnic slurs just as a comparison, so that's ok?

c'mon jim. you're smarter than that.

[docpatlv]

"Mike, until you are in Joann's shoes I don't think you should be telling her that she should feel less offended."---Dan


Well then Dan, by the same token, Joann shouldn't compare her plight to what she stated above.

"You have said, a couple of times that, to you, there was no comparison between the two, but unless you are female you aren't seeing that side of the comparison."---JimVB

That was me JimVB who made those statements and I stand by them and in the same token, until Joann has a race change she isn't 'seeing that side of the comparison'.



Again, I don't doubt that Marshall's words have caused Joann pain that we might not know or comprehend, but my problem is with the statements she made. Joann, I'm sorry if you've been hurt by the comments made to you, but your analogies were inappropriate, even if only used for analogies.

Now I'm really finished.

Mike

[calvindog]

Andy, of course you're right.

And Joann, I suspect my eyes will somehow continue to work whether or not you edit your post (and I had missed your anti-semitic comments, sorry). Whether or not I'll have the same respect for you is another story. There are powerful and appropriate ways to make an argument and then there are ridiculous ways.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by andybecker

c'mon jim. you're smarter than that.

Don't count on it.

I attributed Mike's thoughts to you. Sorry.

[Peter_Spaeth]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Barfman had been banned for his disgusting remarks in the first place.