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Posted By: paulstratton
The AA population in LV was 10.36% as of the 2000 census. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Look, the lawyers picked the jury. If you have a beef with the fact that there are no blacks on the jury it very well may be his attorneys' fault. Hard to imagine the prosecutors got away with knocking off every African American without raising a Batson problem. So blame OJ's lawyers, not the system. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Paul, which equates to one juror. In OJ's murder case he had 9 AAs (75%); yet the jury pool was only 28% black. |
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Posted By: paulstratton
I'm with you on this Jeff. I was refuting ali's statement about doubting LV's pop was only 10% black. |
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Posted By: Dave S
Ali, I think Jeff is in violent agreement with you... |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
Psst, Ali. |
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Posted By: Mike
Is anyone covering the OJ trial on TV. Court TV did such a great job on high profile cases in the past and I was wondering if there were any cameras in the courtroom now that the trial is starting. |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Ali, |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
He's the expert. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Why am I sitting here on a Sunday night reading a thread where someone instructs Jeff and Adam in the nuances of jury selection? |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
why are you reading it Jim? BTW, I don't recall Ali instructing on the nuances of jury selection. I do see a couple of people expressing their opinions and discomfort with the jury makeup in OJ's pending trial. Should they be allowed to have an opinion?- or should you and the few others who make their snide comments and add nothing to the discussion effectively squelch them and tell them to go back and sit in their corner? |
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Posted By: Jim VB
Good questions Todd. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
beg to differ pretty much all the way around. Why not object to the topic being discussed at all, since this a vintage baseball card forum? That wasn't your point at all. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
<<there is far too much good-ol-boying here, and this forum has suffered from it for some time.>> |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
who said I hated this board? I do dislike what I perceive to be a downturn in quality and increases in what I perceive as cliques and uncivility, and I am registering my opinion toward that end. As I mentioned to you in another thread, I've been around, and I have seen this forum in a variety of conditions. I will opine that there are others who post less frequently or not at all because of what they see as the personalities and direction of the board, myself included. Disregard my opinion if you wish. I will leave or post as I see fit. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
<<Disregard my opinion if you wish.>> |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
"If I can get Mel Stottlemyre Sr. to drop by the board, would you be willing to debate him on the proper mechanics of pitching?" |
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Posted By: Dave S
When I first posted, was coming off the the discussion on Mastro of those who damage the hobby (reporters or those who try to scam). Yes, I led with the question about OJ getting a fair trial, but followed up with he question about the 'dealers' who he is accused of kidnapping and robbing [sic]. |
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Posted By: J Levine
Circus is correct but the race/color of the victims is no consequence because there is no hate crime committed. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dave, I agree with your sentiment about how bad the 'victims' are; however, this kind of situation plays out all the time in court. I can't tell you how many murderers I've cross-examined who have spent a total of 2 years in prison for their crimes but suddenly are presented as decent, law-abiding folk when testifying for the government. Witnesses get caught lying on the stand every day and are never charged with perjury if they cooperate with the government. This is just how the system unfortunately is. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Not sure how I missed this: "Personally, I would rather have Col. Sanders expound on those eleven uber-mysterious herbs and spices. I'm finger-lickin' curious, damnit!" |
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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
I remember vividly my disbelief when the prosecution agreed to the change of venue in the murder trial -- that they could be so naive to believe that the evidence was so rock solid that any jury would convict him. I agree that the rationale behind the venue change was to avoid another race riot if he was convicted, but my feeling at the time was that the prosecution lost the case the moment they agreed to it. |
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Posted By: Dave S
Josh, |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Regardless of how you feel about the case or the judge's actions, it would be kind of everyone to keep in mind that she's the fellow's aunt. Thanks for reading. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
"IMHO, there is far too much good-ol-boying here, and this forum has suffered from it for some time." |
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Posted By: Kenny Cole
Dave S., |
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Posted By: J Levine
Last on this from me...I cannot believe people emailed me some hate filled notes and essentially called my aunt (and as an extension) myself a racist. |
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Posted By: Dave S
I'm sorry to hear that people have hate spammed you -- that is a bummer -- and uncalled for. |
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Posted By: Dave S
O.J. Simpson accuser says he had football star's family heirlooms |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dave, I may be in the minority, but I am convinced OJ will not get convicted in this case. I'm still amazed they brought it at all. |
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Posted By: Matt
"Grasso also tried to point out apparent inconsistencies in Fromong's account of the confrontation. Fromong's testimony was cut short Monday after he complained of feeling dizzy and lightheaded." |
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Posted By: Dave S
Jeff, I think you may be right by virtue of the fact of how lame the prosecution and their witnesses were today. KTLA.com is streaming the trial live and I had it on in the background for a while this afternoon. I think he was feeling dizzy and lightheaded from having his ass handed to him by defense council -- there were a couple Law and Order moments, the only thing missing was the gong-gong and cut to commercial... |
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Posted By: Dave S
I guess we have our answer. |
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Posted By: Ken McMillan
he deserves life in prison. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
He deserves life in prison for killing two people, but not for breaking into a hotel room. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
I believe it is the judge's call except for the imposition of the death penalty. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Will be interesting to see what the judge does; I mean, he robbed his own stuff from a bunch of lowlifes (like him). How much time does that deserve? Will the judge punish him more because he got away with murder? Or will the judge bend over backwards to give the appearance of fairness by only punishing him for the robbery/kidnapping? |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Barry, there were more counts than breaking into the hotel room, but I |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Could he really get years in prison for this? I could see six months, but life? Doesn't make sense. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Basically, yes, Barry. |
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Posted By: ROBERT ADAMS JR
It appears the kidnapping alone has a mandatory 15 years minimum . |
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Posted By: barrysloate
He is 61 years old. Sounds like the penitentiary will be his last stop. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
From what I've been able to gather just from reading online, OJ is facing a 5 year minimum on one charge and 2 year minimum on another -- with a potential for a life sentence. I'm unsure whether the 5 and 2 year sentences can be run concurrently. Frankly, 5 years is plenty for what he was convicted of in my mind as he really should not be punished at sentencing for killing his wife. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jeff- OJ doesn't mix in with the general prison population, does he? |
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Posted By: Steve
I'm grateful the jury was unfair... I may not be alone. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Barry, it's hard to imagine that he will anytime soon, however, being away from the general population is very hard on an inmate due to the isolation. Of course, OJ deserves (finally) exactly what he gets. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
This is big news. I know I am not the only one outraged by the 1995 verdict. It took thirteen years but justice may finally be meted out. |
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Posted By: Dave S
Barry, |
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Posted By: Dave S
In the end, O.J. Simpson comes up a loser in Vegas By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent |
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Posted By: Mark Evans
I agree that 5 years sounds about right and that O.J. shouldn't be punished for the murders. Nevertheless, a sweet moment for the Browns and Goldmans. Mark |
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