Hey, pennant guys

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Couldn't pass this up, even with the missing bottom tassels. The graphics colors were just too good and the seller was willing to negotiate. For some reason, it seems like about 90% of the copies of this pennant are red. I now have red, purple, and black. Would like to find blue next.

At the risk of being shunned, could you cut one of the tassels and reattach it to the bottom so that it’s visually more appealing?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

At the risk of being shunned, could you cut one of the tassels and reattach it to the bottom so that it’s visually more appealing?

Careful...I can sense blood pressures spiking.

To me...4 or 0 are the only right answers. If you're going to perform a tasselectomy, you might as well just take the two off. However, on a 50s trench pennant that always came with tassels and has an endless supply of era appropriate donor tassels, I'd recommend an augmentation tasselplasty.

To each his own...Feel free to get a second opinion.

[bocca001]

Yeah, I'm going to try to match them as well as I can. No rush. I know we all have our own pennant characteristics that do or do not drive us crazy. For me the ones that bother me are (in order):

1) flaking paint graphics
2) missing tassels
3) bug damage to the spine
4) bleeding to the spine

If the graphics are flaking, I just can't buy it (unless maybe is is super rare and the price is very low). For the other three, I either need to wait for a decent example or I'm willing to buy a damaged example for an appropriately low price and repair it a bit. They are for me to display. If a pennant is very rare or very valuable, I would not repair it. But most of my pennants don't fall into that category.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Yeah, I'm going to try to match them as well as I can. No rush. I know we all have our own pennant characteristics that do or do not drive us crazy. For me, they are, in order:

1) flaking paint graphics
2) missing tassels
3) bug damage to the spine
4) bleeding to the spine

If the graphics are flaking, I just can't buy it (unless maybe is is super rare and the price is very low). For the other three, I either need to wait for a decent example or I'm willing to buy a damaged example for an appropriately low price and repair it a bit. They are for me to display. If a pennant is very rare or very valuable, I would not repair it. But most of my pennants don't fall into that category.

Most Trench baseball pennants post 1950 don’t fall into that category.

Surprised ripped/missing tip didn’t make the list. That’s easily my number one.

[bocca001]

If the tip is ripped and missing, that is a problem for sure. If it is ripped and still there, I don't care that much (if the price is right). It's also clear that a lot of pennants were cut with a blunted tip. That used to bother me more than it does now.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

If the tip is ripped and missing, that is a problem for sure. If it is ripped and still there, I don't care that much (if the price is right). It's also clear that a lot of pennants were cut with a blunted tip. That used to bother me more than it does now.

Yeah...the ole square tip deal doesn't bother me as long as it's not an inch or more up from where the tip is supposed to be. Would prefer that though over the dreaded fishtail cut.

[Domer05]

What about faded pennants? Like, for example, a 1950s blue pennant ... that's now some color between brown and gray?

[bocca001]

Fading is certainly not good, although I guess it just depends. Here is my most faded pennant. I could not afford an unfaded one at true market value.

[Fballguy]

From the home office in Windsor, CT...Tonight's category:

Felt Football's Top 10 pennant issues...

10. Missing/Decrepit Tassels
9. Bleeding Spine
8. Moth Holes
7. Miscut/Centering
6. Cracked/Flaking Paint
5. Stains
4. Writing including Autographs
3. Fading
2. Ripped/Missing Tip

and now, the number one Felt Football pennant issue...

Drumroll...

1. Smells like ass

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

What about faded pennants? Like, for example, a 1950s blue pennant ... that's now some color between brown and gray?

As you all probably know, I am far from the most condition sensitive pennant collector. Hell, I may be the least sensitive. I will usually grab any Giants pennant I don’t have if the price reflects the poor condition. I’m a “buy it when you see it; maybe upgrade later” guy. That said, a badly faded blue pennant just might be a disqualifier for me.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

From the home office in Windsor, CT...Tonight's category:

Felt Football's Top 10 pennant issues...

10. Missing/Decrepit Tassels
9. Bleeding Spine
8. Moth Holes
7. Miscut/Centering
6. Cracked/Flaking Paint
5. Stains
4. Writing including Autographs
3. Fading
2. Ripped/Missing Tip

and now, the number one Felt Football pennant issue...

Drumroll...

1. Smells like ass

I am a picky MFer... so all of those are deal-killers for me (except for cracking/puckering graphics on the older ones). This actually adds a cool vintage look/patina and is just as common as tack holes (which also don't bother me at all). But if the painted graphics are actually flaking off, that's where I draw the line.

A blunt tip is not a big deal either. Many were made that way, but if it's missing 1/2" or more, then it gives me pause. A dangling or "fishtailed" tip is a non-starter.

Excellent list, and I would add that a rip or tear anywhere on the pennant (not just the tip) kills it for me.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I am a picky MFer... so all of those are deal-killers for me (except for cracking/puckering graphics on the older ones). This actually adds a cool vintage look/patina and is just as common as tack holes (which also don't bother me at all). But if the painted graphics are actually flaking off, that's where I draw the line.

A blunt tip is not a big deal either. Many were made that way, but if it's missing 1/2" or more, then it gives me pause. A dangling or "fishtailed" tip is a non-starter.

Excellent list, and I would add that a rip or tear anywhere on the pennant (not just the tip) kills it for me.

Yeah...Definitely should've included rips in general. This was obviously tongue in cheek. Smells like ass is actually a pretty easy problem to solve. I bought a camping clothesline on Amazon and I find if I hit the back of the pennant with a light cloud of Febreze, then leave it out overnight...problem solved by morning. And no...it's doesn't smell like Febreze either. Of course, I'm not referring to that incredible "old pennant" smell...but must, smoke, etc. This works really well for smoke.

And moth holes don't bother me too much as long as we're not talking about swiss cheese.

I am amazed at the number of people who reach out to me to ask if a 70-80 year old pennant has pin holes. Who would care? That's never even entered into my decision process when considering a pennant and it certainly has zero impact on value in my opinion.

To each his own. Some people are hung up on thread.

[jsage]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I am a picky MFer... so all of those are deal-killers for me (except for cracking/puckering graphics on the older ones). This actually adds a cool vintage look/patina and is just as common as tack holes (which also don't bother me at all). But if the painted graphics are actually flaking off, that's where I draw the line.

A blunt tip is not a big deal either. Many were made that way, but if it's missing 1/2" or more, then it gives me pause. A dangling or "fishtailed" tip is a non-starter.

Excellent list, and I would add that a rip or tear anywhere on the pennant (not just the tip) kills it for me.

Mark -
I am pleased to see that your condition standards are great as always.
That is one of the reasons that your collection is fantastic.
I enjoyed that common bond we had.
Jerry

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Yeah...Definitely should've included rips in general. This was obviously tongue in cheek. Smells like ass is actually a pretty easy problem to solve. I bought a camping clothesline on Amazon and I find if I hit the back of the pennant with a light cloud of Febreze, then leave it out overnight...problem solved by morning. And no...it's doesn't smell like Febreze either. Of course, I'm not referring to that incredible "old pennant" smell...but must, smoke, etc. This works really well for smoke.

And moth holes don't bother me too much as long as we're not talking about swiss cheese.

I am amazed at the number of people who reach out to me to ask if a 70-80 year old pennant has pin holes. Who would care? That's never even entered into my decision process when considering a pennant and it certainly has zero impact on value in my opinion.

To each his own. Some people are hung up on thread.

Good to know about the Febreze. Only problem is if you hang the clothesline in Seattle, the pennant will be soaking wet before you know it.

Regarding the part in bold... It is indeed mind-boggling. I have had a couple of sales fall through because the prospective buyer asked about pinholes. Who the hell possibly cares? You'd rule out 90% of all vintage pennants if this was your criteria.

This misguided thinking has to emanate from the "Sportscard Culture", where pinholes are highly frowned upon. A great-condition card (that would otherwise grade NRMT) is automatically graded "1" by the know-nothing TPGs if it has a microscopic pin hole. And the collecting sheeple fall right in line.

So if/when you encounter this mindset, you are probably dealing with a TPG-addicted card collector. Thankfully, serious pennant collectors know it's a non-issue.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by jsage

Mark -
I am pleased to see that your condition standards are great as always.
That is one of the reasons that your collection is fantastic.
I enjoyed that common bond we had.
Jerry

I enjoyed it too, Jerry. We miss seeing you around here...

Really loved our interactions, and boy did we make some great deals back in the day!

Thanks for the kind words and hope all is going well,
Mark

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

As you all probably know, I am far from the most condition sensitive pennant collector. Hell, I may be the least sensitive. I will usually grab any Giants pennant I don’t have if the price reflects the poor condition. I’m a “buy it when you see it; maybe upgrade later” guy. That said, a badly faded blue pennant just might be a disqualifier for me.

I with you Rob. I like to get the best condition that I can but if I find a pretty scarce pennant for a good price, I'll put up with a missing tassel or spine issues until I can upgrade it.

As I've gained experience with pennants, I'm able to figure out which stains can be removed with a gentle soak. Badly faded or large holes are where I normally draw the line.

I've not had the occasion to buy a pennant that smells like ass yet. Wonder what ebay sellers would reply, if I asked "does it smell like ass?"

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I've not had the occasion to buy a pennant that smells like ass yet. Wonder what ebay sellers would reply, if I asked "does it smell like ass?"

LOL…Maybe I can petition eBay to add a “smells like ass” check box to their seller listing template.

[jsage]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I enjoyed it too, Jerry. We miss seeing you around here...

Really loved our interactions, and boy did we make some great deals back in the day!

Thanks for the kind words and hope all is going well,
Mark

Mark
Yes we did. I think our first transaction was with your Willie Mays Pennant.
That was the start of our realization that we were condition "freaks"

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by jsage

Mark
Yes we did. I think our first transaction was with your Willie Mays Pennant.
That was the start of our realization that we were condition "freaks"

Cool player pennants, Jerry. I keep mine together, too, although I don’t have as many.

[aelefson]

Hi-

Here is something unusual. It is a Philadelphia Phillies pennant from Mike Ryan Motor Sales. It is signed by multiple members of the mid 60s Red Sox including Tony C (but no Yaz unless I missed seeing his signature).

Mike Ryan Motor Sales was in Haverhill MA so I am not sure why they made a Phillies pennant but I am guessing it was made when Ryan was traded to the Phillies (the dealership was run by his uncle but he worked there). Has anyone seen an unsigned version of this pennant? Did the motor sales company make any other pennants?

Alan

[ooo-ribay]

Super cool! I can’t make out the mark in the last picture…

[aelefson]

Thank you! It says American Knit Wear and Emblem Mfrs Emblematic Sports Wear. Did they make any other major league pennants?

Alan

[bocca001]

American Knitwear is Keezer manufacturing. You can look them up on Domer's pennant fever blog.

I know I have seen a copy of this pennant sell at least one other time. I don't believe it was autographed, but I'm not certain.

[aelefson]

Thank you! I thought the logo looked familiar. I have a vague memory of seeing another one too but I might have confused it with this one (this came from a Massachusetts Americana dealer's estate and he had it for sale at a few ephemera shows several years ago).

Alan

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

American Knitwear is Keezer manufacturing. You can look them up on Domer's pennant fever blog.

I knew the graphics were Keezer but wasn’t sure the mark was. Pretty bizarre that they did a special run for a car dealer. I wonder if they did other special runs?

[murphusa]

In the process of cleaning things out and looking to sell my 300 or so Baseball Pennants from the 50's to current. Condition is mint/great to poor on others

What's the market these days?

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by murphusa

In the process of cleaning things out and looking to sell my 300 or so Baseball Pennants from the 50's to current. Condition is mint/great to poor on others

What's the market these days?

You may not like the answer....but it depends on which pennants. Are you able to share some photos?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by murphusa

In the process of cleaning things out and looking to sell my 300 or so Baseball Pennants from the 50's to current. Condition is mint/great to poor on others

What's the market these days?

The market is “great to poor.”

Depends what you’ve got.

[edtiques]

Sorry, all set.

[thetahat]

Wasn’t this discussed here awhile back when it was sold on eBay?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...umbnail-071515

[UKCardGuy]

Yep, we did. [Sigh] Might have expected better from a big AH.

It was back in post 8214

[perezfan]

Not the first time for Heritage (and won't be the last).

[bocca001]

I'd like to find blue next.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Wasn’t this discussed here awhile back when it was sold on eBay?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...umbnail-071515

I emailed someone who is a good guy from there. Hopefully they will pull it. Pete Calderon (who I don’t know, but seems like a good guy) is also a member here so maybe he’ll see it and have it removed