Hey, pennant guys

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by thetahat

So would this be the right time to put this up for auction?

Probably would be

It is a beauty

Hold it for your collection

[thetahat]

Two cheap acquisitions, the A’s I didn’t have, and the Yankees was in such tremendous condition I couldn’t let it go (and I didn’t have that color). IMO one of the most beautiful pennants ever made by Trench.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Two cheap acquisitions, the A’s I didn’t have, and the Yankees was in such tremendous condition I couldn’t let it go (and I didn’t have that color). IMO one of the most beautiful pennants ever made by Trench.

Two underrated beauties. I used to have that classic Yankees pennant in 6 different colors... black, red, green, purple, blue and burgundy.

They looked amazing displayed together, but eventually decided to keep just the green one (as it was in gem mint condition). In retrospect, I wish I'd kept them all!

Great pickups!

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Two underrated beauties. I used to have that classic Yankees pennant in 6 different colors... black, red, green, purple, blue and burgundy.

They looked amazing displayed together, but eventually decided to keep just the green one (as it was in gem mint condition). In retrospect, I wish I'd kept them all!

Great pickups!

+1 Agree to Beauties and that Yankee one is amazing

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

+1 Agree to Beauties and that Yankee one is amazing

Thanks Jeffrey!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Two underrated beauties. I used to have that classic Yankees pennant in 6 different colors... black, red, green, purple, blue and burgundy.

They looked amazing displayed together, but eventually decided to keep just the green one (as it was in gem mint condition). In retrospect, I wish I'd kept them all!

Great pickups!

Same six colors as my Dodgers pennants … I think I have seen a lighter blue (like royal) and I may have seen orange once before? Can anyone confirm if an orange version exists?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Same six colors as my Dodgers pennants … I think I have seen a lighter blue (like royal) and I may have seen orange once before? Can anyone confirm if an orange version exists?

If there's an orange version, I think one of us would've seen it by now. I can't recall ever seeing one (but would love to).

That rainbow of Brooklyn Pennants is so cool to see... I really think you have 'em all! My educated guess would be that the black one is the rarest, followed closely by purple.

Great stuff!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

If there's an orange version, I think one of us would've seen it by now. I can't recall ever seeing one (but would love to).

That rainbow of Brooklyn Pennants is so cool to see... I really think you have 'em all! My educated guess would be that the black one is the rarest, followed closely by purple.

Great stuff!

They're cool.....except for the obvious.

Signed,
Giants4ever

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

If there's an orange version, I think one of us would've seen it by now. I can't recall ever seeing one (but would love to).

That rainbow of Brooklyn Pennants is so cool to see... I really think you have 'em all! My educated guess would be that the black one is the rarest, followed closely by purple.

Great stuff!

On most of these, Emmet Kelly’s eyebrows are the same gray as his hair, except on the blue felt the eyebrows are black.

[thetahat]

I also display the variations of Phillies cap pennants together, the gray being the rarest. There might be thirty different ones if you figure in the different cap styles.

[bocca001]

I didn't know that you had a 1980s/1990s wall, Greg

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I also display the variations of Phillies cap pennants together, the gray being the rarest. There might be thirty different ones if you figure in the different cap styles.

Not my Team but that is a great wall

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I didn't know that you had a 1980s/1990s wall, Greg

Only a few and I used them because they were cheap, they are actually on the wall of a pantry underneath stairs and I cut them so that the doors can open. A little cheesy but I wanted no paneling left unused!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[thetahat]

My use of heavy but soft clear vinyl for making custom size holders failed. The tape didn’t stick well and they sagged over time. So I have been replacing them with rectangular holders which are rigid on the edges and the tape sticks better on the open end. Used extra large poster toploaders for the oversized pennants here … these work much better

[thetahat]

Duplicate

[ooo-ribay]

I really have no idea what you’re talking about,.Greg, but this is what we do…we adapt!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

My use of heavy but soft clear vinyl for making custom size holders failed. The tape didn’t stick well and they sagged over time. So I have been replacing them with rectangular holders which are rigid on the edges and the tape sticks better on the open end. Used extra large poster toploaders for the oversized pennants here … these work much better

Can you show us a close-up shot of how you cut the toploaders and tape them? Do you cut the rectangular rigid toploaders with a scissors, blade, or something else to get it triangular? I can never get a straight cut.

I have an idea of what you're describing, but a close-up visual would really help.

Thanks!

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Can you show us a close-up shot of how you cut the toploaders and tape them? Do you cut the rectangular rigid toploaders with a scissors, blade, or something else to get it triangular? I can never get a straight cut.

I have an idea of what you're describing, but a close-up visual would really help.

Thanks!

Mark, I have cut down regular rigid pennant holders for 3/4 size pennants, using a mat cutter to get a straight edge.

Rick

[thetahat]

Okay I did a couple this morning. Disclaimer: these still may look a bit cheesy but remember, I'm more interested in quantity displayed, and frames take up too much room on the wall. This is about the best I can do.

First pic is my initial attempt to use thick but soft vinyl. I ordered a roll from a marine warehouse. There was no binding on either edge so it had to be taped all the way around, the tape didn't stick well, and the lack of rigidity left a lot of glare from the "waves" on the surface.

So I tried the toploaders which works much better. First I bought a pack of photo-sized loaders for making holders for the minis. That worked extremely well. Then I bought 7 or 8 of the largest size for the oversized pennants. I can make two holders out of these. I tried using an Exacto knife but even with a long straight edge had trouble keeping it straight. I marked off the corners for custom fit and drew lines with a dry erase marker and carefully used scissors, cutting though both sides simultaneously. Each holder has a sealed ridge on the bottom, which is where I want it because of gravity. Before taping I put a few staples along the top end because I don't want the pennant to ever come in contact with the tape - this is just precaution. Then I use clear packing tape to seal the top edge. This is where some imperfections are apparent, I can never quite keep the tape from wrinkling in spots. But unless you are up very close you really cant see it. Maybe there's a better tape to use, I'd like to know.

Now I taped them shut with the pennant inside, so its a snug fit. I don't think this will make for easy removal like with ordinary holders without removing and replacing the staples and tape.

I still have some "edge" left over to use on my minis, for these I use a paper cutter and scotch tape, I just about have the gaps in the wall filled in with them. Please shoot me if I think about filling in the tiny spaces with BF3s ... I think I need to stop!

So these poster toploaders were $130 for 6 including shipping, so its about $11 for each holder. When I buy a pack of the photo toploaders for the minis it comes out to about $1 apiece.

[thetahat]

Side note about the Athletics elephant pennant. I won this in a Heritage auction, it was described having a label with manufacturer name that wasn't legible. It turns out it is Gimbels, which was Philly's oldest department store (1887-1987). (My pic obviously isn’t the best)

[perezfan]

That's great info, Greg and Rick... many thanks for posting.

Whenever I try to cut through both sides of the toploader at once, it's almost as it the two sides work against one another. It happens with scissors as well as a blade...

I can never get the same cut all the way through both sides, for the top to match the bottom. Too much resistance, as the bottom side gets bent under somehow, causing the 2 cuts to be imprecise and irregular.

Rick...
Do you own the mat cutter, or do you take it to a frame shop? I may try that method.... Thanks!

[ooo-ribay]

Gotta hand it to you, Greg….you are one committed dude!

(insert “committed” joke)

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That's great info, Greg and Rick... many thanks for posting.

Whenever I try to cut through both sides of the toploader at once, it's almost as it the two sides work against one another. It happens with scissors as well as a blade...

I can never get the same cut all the way through both sides, for the top to match the bottom. Too much resistance, as the bottom side gets bent under somehow, causing the 2 cuts to be imprecise and irregular.

Rick...
Do you own the mat cutter, or do you take it to a frame shop? I may try that method.... Thanks!

Mark, I have a Logan mat cutter that I use to cut all my own mats, works great and saves me a ton of money in framing costs. It also works well on cutting the rigid pennant holders using the straight edge blade that comes with the kit. It is easier to use than cutting on a flat surface since it has a channel cutout for the blade depth. You just need to make sure the pennant holder doesn't move as you cut.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Gotta hand it to you, Greg….you are one committed dude!

(insert “committed” joke)

Thanks and yes, I think I need to be …

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Side note about the Athletics elephant pennant. I won this in a Heritage auction, it was described having a label with manufacturer name that wasn't legible. It turns out it is Gimbels, which was Philly's oldest department store (1887-1987). (My pic obviously isn’t the best)

So that's what it read! Yes, Gimbel Brothers.... That one always perplexed me. Thought it might have read "Spalding Bros.," but not quite.

Your Athletics pennant, Greg, was the only pennant I've ever seen with this mark on it. Anybody ever seen another?

I'm thinking the Alterations Department made these up for the hometown team, probably in the 1910s, as part of a very limited run.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

So that's what it read! Yes, Gimbel Brothers.... That one always perplexed me. Thought it might have read "Spalding Bros.," but not quite.

Your Athletics pennant, Greg, was the only pennant I've ever seen with this mark on it. Anybody ever seen another?

I'm thinking the Alterations Department made these up for the hometown team, probably in the 1910s, as part of a very limited run.

I’ve never considered a department store producing a pennant(s), but Kyle knows much more about the early days. Could be the case…

[ooo-ribay]

JR has another good one….

[thetahat]

These came today. The picture pennant is my 13th variation from 1960-69, 1960 and 1968 have two different pics and 1961 same pic but different design. This pic is cool because it was taken inside Connie Mack Stadium.

The Mets pennant was in too nice condition to pass up, the one I had was a little faded. One of my favorite Trench stadium pennants and it has a different look than the others. The font of SHEA STADIUM is unique, the field is blue, and Mr. Met is trademarked. The artwork itself just … looks different than other stadium pennants. Also this was strangely made without tassels.

[bocca001]

Nice, Greg.

You are always telling us about your favorites. What's your least favorite/most strange/funky stadium pennant?

[ooo-ribay]

Whew! Good to see some new content in the pennant thread!

I may get a new one in tonight’s ISTP auction. Fingers crossed. 🤞

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Nice, Greg.

You are always telling us about your favorites. What's your least favorite/most strange/funky stadium pennant?

Great question Marc, in fact I’d love to know how you and others answer this. I think the later Dodger Stadium pennants are kinda lame once they ditched the bum. Love the LA Angels version though with Chavez Ravine. I’m hard pressed to say that any of them are unsightly. More generally I don’t collect Ad Flags or late era WGN. Just a matter of taste, I collect mostly to display because I love the aesthetics and those pennants just don’t do it for me. But here’s an old Ad Flag that I’ve shown before that I do display, as ugly as it is, because it is pretty rare. At some point I need to set it loose. If I had this as a kid it would cause me nightmares.

[bocca001]

I'll go for the Giants batter sinking into the ground in Busch Stadium pennant.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I'll go for the Giants batter sinking into the ground in Busch Stadium pennant.

That’s a classic! Like this Mets pennant here …

I should add I do display these two Ad Flag Colt 45s ..

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Whew! Good to see some new content in the pennant thread!

I may get a new one in tonight’s ISTP auction. Fingers crossed. 🤞

Any luck?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I may get a new one in tonight’s ISTP auction. Fingers crossed. 🤞

Nope. One other guy in the whole world wanted it too.

[ooo-ribay]

This was the one. Any thoughts as to who might have made it? Is this design seen for other teams?

[bocca001]

The other guy was not me this time : )

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

This was the one. Any thoughts as to who might have made it? Is this design seen for other teams?

I'm pretty sure this one was made by the mystery maker we've been tracking that also made the "sliding runner" series; and, the stiff-arming "Heisman" series. All were monochrome, tassel-less, full-size, and made in the late 1940s or early 1950s.

Sorry you didn't get it. I can assure you it wasn't me

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The other guy was not me this time : )

Bocca felt bad about snaking me on the red NYG pennant so he just alerted me the one I didn't get last night was on Etsy today. This time I got it. Thanks, bocca...you're forgiven.

[UKCardGuy]

Glad you got it Rob. That one was on my watch list but I went for these 2 instead. Got them both.

I'm hoping I can clean the Yankees pennant a bit.

These continue my pursuit of photo pennants.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Glad you got it Rob. That one was on my watch list but I went for these 2 instead. Got them both.

I'm hoping I can clean the Yankees pennant a bit.

These continue my pursuit of photo pennants.

Those are great. A "tassel implant" wouldn't be too hard on the Yankees. If you didn't know, the tassels were usually one piece, folded over.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Those are great. A "tassel implant" wouldn't be too hard on the Yankees. If you didn't know, the tassels were usually one piece, folded over.

Thanks. That's very useful info. Now, I'll need to find a pennant to use for "parts"

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks. That's very useful info. Now, I'll need to find a pennant to use for "parts"

Or, just get a piece of felt at a craft store. About 25 cents, USD.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Has anyone had any luck finding pennant poly sleeves? I have plenty of toploaders, looking for sleeves. Large quantities that is

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Has anyone had any luck finding pennant poly sleeves? I have plenty of toploaders, looking for sleeves. Large quantities that is

Pennantdynasty (Matt?) on eBay has nice, clear ones.

Someone here might have his direct contact info to avoid tax and fees.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Or, just get a piece of felt at a craft store. About 25 cents, USD.

I may have to play Devil's Advocate here...

Seems like it would be "aesthetically challenging" to blend brand new tassels with an old pennant. The material and color would never be right. I'm afraid the tassels would stand out like a sore thumb. Plus it would (personally) bug me having new felt incorporated on a vintage piece.

I would find a beater with the appropriate tassels, to use for the "transplant". Just my personal OCD speaking...

Also... If you ever find yourself in a position to sell, these alterations should be disclosed. Nothing at all wrong with spiffing up pennants for personal display. But the "imported" parts should definitely be disclosed when selling.

[ooo-ribay]

I hear ya, Mark.

Definitely disclose if you were ever to sell.

That said, the remaining blue tassel looks pretty bright…I’ll bet you could match it. Michael’s, for example, has a big selection of 8x10 pieces.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I may have to play Devil's Advocate here...

Seems like it would be "aesthetically challenging" to blend brand new tassels with an old pennant. The material and color would never be right. I'm afraid the tassels would stand out like a sore thumb. Plus it would (personally) bug me having new felt incorporated on a vintage piece.

I would find a beater with the appropriate tassels, to use for the "transplant". Just my personal OCD speaking...

Also... If you ever find yourself in a position to sell, these alterations should be disclosed. Nothing at all wrong with spiffing up pennants for personal display. But the "imported" parts should definitely be disclosed when selling.

Co-signed. Alterations should be disclosed when selling. Otherwise, it’s fraud.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I may have to play Devil's Advocate here...

Seems like it would be "aesthetically challenging" to blend brand new tassels with an old pennant. The material and color would never be right. I'm afraid the tassels would stand out like a sore thumb. Plus it would (personally) bug me having new felt incorporated on a vintage piece.

I would find a beater with the appropriate tassels, to use for the "transplant". Just my personal OCD speaking...

Also... If you ever find yourself in a position to sell, these alterations should be disclosed. Nothing at all wrong with spiffing up pennants for personal display. But the "imported" parts should definitely be disclosed when selling.

That was my thinking too. I'd prefer the tassels to be "of the period". Certainly, it's something to disclosed when selling.


Rob, I like your idea but I know that my arts and crafts skills are pretty limited. I wouldn't trust myself even with cutting a tassel. (I still have nighmares about the monstrous ashtrays I made at summer camp.)

[effe]

I hadn't seen this one before.