March Pick-Ups

[David W]

Originally Posted by Volod

Ernie would have to be one of the all-time greats for his great contribution to Cards history in bringing Lou Brock to St. Lou.

Ernie actually ranks 29th all time in career wins by a Cardinal starting pitcher with 70.......

I'm currently collecting the top 15 position players and the top 50 starting pitchers for the Cardinals since 1900.....

[mintacular]

I really hope you get bored with this card and resell at it on eBay, would love a shot at it. But I don't think that will happen Great "5"

[CW]

Thanks, Patrick. Heck, if I can remember this thread I will offer it to you privately before putting it up on eBay, although that could be a few years from now.

[sox1903wschamp]

Love this card for my raw set.

[ALR-bishop]

That is a great card Michael

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

That is a great card Michael

Thanks Al

[Volod]

Originally Posted by David W

Ernie actually ranks 29th all time in career wins by a Cardinal starting pitcher with 70.......

I'm currently collecting the top 15 position players and the top 50 starting pitchers for the Cardinals since 1900.....

But, as Cliff pointed out, those 70 wins impressed the stuff out of John Holland.

Always wondered what the Cubs would have done 1967-72 if that trade had not happened.

[ALR-bishop]

...still behind the Cardinals as usual and as it should be

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

...still behind the Cardinals as usual and as it should be

Why did I have to be born in a northern suburb of Chicago and be cursed with being a Cubs fan for life ...

[David W]

Originally Posted by Volod

But, as Cliff pointed out, those 70 wins impressed the stuff out of John Holland.

Always wondered what the Cubs would have done 1967-72 if that trade had not happened.

The Cubbies did however kind of turn the tables with the Altman for Larry Jackson trade.

But with Santo, Banks, Williams, Jenkins to go with Hundley, Beckert, Kessinger, Hands, Holtzman, Pappas, Monday, Abernathy, you would think they blunder into something in that time frame.

[Volod]

Originally Posted by David W

The Cubbies did however kind of turn the tables with the Altman for Larry Jackson trade.

But with Santo, Banks, Williams, Jenkins to go with Hundley, Beckert, Kessinger, Hands, Holtzman, Pappas, Monday, Abernathy, you would think they blunder into something in that time frame.

...add Brock to that group and how do they go into that flop in the last weeks of the '69 season? I don't think the Mets would have caught them. And if you subtract Lou from the '67 and '68 Cards - Al's POV notwithstanding - maybe it's not enough to get the young Cubs there, but would the Cards have enough to get past the Dodgers or Pirates, I wonder. Nice sarcastic rub-in with the Altman-Jackson trade comparison. As a lifelong Cubs fan by choice, not birth, it's even worse for me than for Cliff. Probably shouldn't have dredged up these ancient painful memories.

[ALR-bishop]

Agree he may have been the tipping point in 64, 67 and 68. Getting Cepeda was also a factor


The Brock deal helped make up for the Cardinals later trading Carlton for Rick Wise

[David W]

Growing up in Central Ill in the 70's, it was half and half Cubs vs Cards.

My most painful summer was 78 going 3 and 15 vs the Cubs, and having to hear it from my Cub fan friends all year.

[theseeker]

The Cubs desperately were looking for a solution to their only weakness, CF, throughout the '69 season. They traded Brock because they felt the only position he could play was LF, manned by sweet swinging Billy Williams.

Typical shortsighted Cubbie thinking. As Bill James would later show, Brock's offensive contributions, as one of the games greatest leadoff hitters, in that stacked lineup would have more than made up for his notoriously weak arm, while playing CF. Besides Williams could have moved to 1B with Brock sliding over to LF after Banks retired.

Yet, the '69 season is still looked upon with fondness for Cubs fans despite the August collapse. Growing up in suburban Chicago, that season is my first sports memory. I've managed to collect a insane hoard of memorabilia from that season since then-- the Jewel picture set, mugs, 8x10 autos........everything except for those cheesy facsimile autograghed balls they sold at Wrigley Field. I bought several on Ebay being sold as 1969 balls that ended up being 1967, 1970, 1971