Should the TPA's place a sticker on an authenticated item?

[travrosty]

yes, you did right, the piece should be left alone as is. documentation can always be made up to the satisfaction of both parties without altering the piece.


Last one I have, the goudey card signed by Chas Gehringer, with the PSA sticker on the back of the actual card.

sigh.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by travrosty

yes, you did right, the piece should be left alone as is. documentation can always be made up to the satisfaction of both parties without altering the piece.


Last one I have, the goudey card signed by Chas Gehringer, with the PSA sticker on the back of the actual card.

sigh.

AND IT'S NOT EVEN STRAIGHT! You would think, if you were going to make your advertisement a permanent part of the piece, you would pay a little more attention to the alignment of the sticker in relation to the card back!

Is "aesthetically unsettling" a usable phrase? Because that's exactly what that card back is to me, aside from any feelings about the presence of the sticker itself.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

AND IT'S NOT EVEN STRAIGHT! You would think, if you were going to make your advertisement a permanent part of the piece, you would pay a little more attention to the alignment of the sticker in relation to the card back!

Is "aesthetically unsettling" a usable phrase? Because that's exactly what that card back is to me, aside from any feelings about the presence of the sticker itself.

Wouldn't you think that some moderately intelligent person would try to place the sticker toward the areas where there was ALREADY paperloss on the back instead in the middle of the text?

I used to be inclined to cut these companies a little slack but now I just scratch my head in wonderment.

[Gary Dunaier]

I don't know if this is germane to the specific topic at hand, but here goes...

There was an autograph event at Citi Field last Sunday, where a number of former Mets were signing autographs for fees. There was a representative from PSA/DNA who would, for an additional fee, "authenticate" the item you just got signed...



Interesting concept, on-site authentication... according to the sign on the table (as seen in the photograph), all you had to do was provide “proof of purchase of the autograph signing.” From what I saw, the man from PSA/DNA who was certifying the signatures as authentic did not actually see the autographs being signed with his own eyes, so he had no personal first-hand knowledge of their authenticity. Correct me if I'm wrong - there may be something I'm missing here - but as far as I could tell, there’s nothing to stop someone from bringing in something that already has a fake autograph, buying a ticket for a real signature, getting that real signature on something that for whatever reason they didn't need authentication for (for example, a blank 3x5 card), present the fake signature with the proof of purchase, and presto - you’ve got yourself a fake that’s been authenticated as genuine.

[travrosty]

If they advertise that as "in the presence" and the man did not actually see the athlete sign the piece, I think that is deplorable.

The Sal Bando incident proved pieces that were described as being signed at the show could easily be switched and get a cert for them by 'trusting' the individual.

In the presence, means right there watching, not 'in the general area'. The sign says to provide the receipt, that's not really in the presence, is it?

What's the difference between providing the receipt there at the show, or asking someone to walk across the street to the hotel and provide the receipt in order to get the item stickered?

How close you are to the athlete means nothing if you aren't watching him sign the piece in question and advertising it as "in the presence".

Now we know how this program works. Nothing is as it seems to be with these companies.

Clarification is below

[travrosty]

From the PSA website

"When you see the PSA/DNA Guaranteed Authentic certificate, it means that a PSA representative has witnessed the item being signed."


It looks like this is a lie, asking for the receipt isn't the same as witnessing the items being signed, is it? If the PSA representative witnessed the item being signed, you wouldnt even need the receipt, you could just move 3 feet over and get it stickered for 8 bucks.

When is the shell game going to stop? Witnessing means that the guy watching it being signed is the guy putting the sticker on. When collectors see one definition of 'in the presence on a website, and experience another in person, they don't know which shell the ball in under anymore. doesn't mean the company is trying to pull one over on someone, but they allow for shenanigans to occur like we have seen in the past. Seeing the item being signed, then immediately stickering it allows for none of that.

[Fuddjcal]

I always thought that this was about the stupidest concept anyway. The only signing I went to in recent memory was when I saw the late Willie Davis at a signing near where I was working about 5 years ago. I stopped in bought a ball, an autograph ticket and stood in a 1 person line to have him sign it.

Then, some numb-skull kid with PSA sitting next to him asks me if I'd like an authentication with that? ($7.00 at the time) I asked "what the hell I needed that for when I just saw the man sign the thing right in front of my face."

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

from the psa website

"when you see the psa/dna guaranteed authentic certificate, it means that a psa representative has witnessed the item being signed."


it looks like this is a lie, asking for the receipt isn't the same as witnessing the items being signed, is it? If the psa representative witnessed the item being signed, you wouldnt even need the receipt, you could just move 3 feet over and get it stickered for 8 bucks.

When is the shell game going to stop?

++++1111
sham, con, fake, false advertising and that's just their good side
And they are putting a f------ d--- sticker on the item in the picture,, where does it end?